Gotta ask the DAL hat ???

[FDJ2]

It's part of the uniform, wear it.

 

[Max Powers]

Just wear it, and if you want to rebel against Delta, wear it like a baret and pretend you are an Air France Frog.

A lot of people make fun of the "Russian Sub Commander" uniform, but in reality it looks good, and our profession demands respect. If you want to look sloppy and discheveled, do it on your own time.
Bye Bye--General Lee

So you don't wear your hat and you look "sloppy and discheveled" ? Give me a break. Hats are hold overs from the old days when showers were hard to come by so you needed to cover your grease mop hair.

Once again the general shows his dumbness.

 

[waka]

That jacket can partially cover a big gut too I suppose, I have seen it on some Captains.

Incorrect. A double breasted jacket actually enhances a big gut. A traditional two or three button jacket is more slimming.


As for the folks talking about how the hat commands respect; That's BS too. What? Let's say there is an issue in the cabin on the ground and a hatless Captain comes back to address it. The misbehaving passenger doesn't respect the Captain. Then the Captain returns to the cockpit to don his hat and goes back to the passenger. Will the misbehaving passenger all of a sudden generate a newly found respect for the now hatted Captain? Give me a break! I'm all for wearing what your employer tells you. However, don't be so pretentious and say that a friggin' hat "commands respect". Or else you had better respect those Skycaps as an authority figure!

 

[DYLIN]

As for the folks talking about how the hat commands respect; That's BS too. What? Let's say there is an issue in the cabin on the ground and a hatless Captain comes back to address it. The misbehaving passenger doesn't respect the Captain. Then the Captain returns to the cockpit to don his hat and goes back to the passenger. Will the misbehaving passenger all of a sudden generate a newly found respect for the now hatted Captain? Give me a break! I'm all for wearing what your employer tells you. However, don't be so pretentious and say that a friggin' hat "commands respect". Or else you had better respect those Skycaps as an authority figure!

That is the type of argument a little kid makes. Twisted logic and a weak debate point overall.

When did someone say if you went and got a hat and put it on, a situation would change? That's right, you made it up.

The point is, from the beginning, if you go up the jetway to the gate to lay down the law with them in regards to some PIC decision you've had to make that they won't like, if you show up looking like a slob they are more likely to think that your decision is equally sloppy.

If you go up the jetway looking nice and perhaps wearing a hat and jacket, in their sub-conscience you are a figure of more authority.

 

[waka]

When did someone say if you went and got a hat and put it on, a situation would change? That's right, you made it up.

No, I didn't make it up. Some junior folks, like you, think a hat is necessary to command respect. It is called an inference. Look it up in the dictionary. Inferences are accomplished by using your brain and reading between the lines.

That is the type of argument a little kid makes. Twisted logic and a weak debate point overall. (did a little kid write this "sentence"?)

The point is, from the beginning, if you go up the jetway to the gate to lay down the law with them in regards to some PIC decision you've had to make that they won't like, if you show up looking like a slob they are more likely to think that your decision is equally sloppy.

If you go up the jetway looking nice and perhaps wearing a hat and jacket, in their sub-conscience (??? huh? ) you are a figure of more authority.

You're one to talk about a "little kid" argument.

A. Since when is a hat necessary for looking "nice" and not looking like a slob?

B. How does a hat contribute to a PIC decision?

C. Little kids write in incomplete sentences and try to pass them off as complete sentences.....s-u-b-c-o-n-s-c-i-o-u-s-l-y or otherwise

Nice try sonny.

 

[DYLIN]

No, I didn't make it up. Some junior folks, like you, think a hat is necessary to command respect. It is called an inference. Look it up in the dictionary. Inferences are accomplished by using your brain and reading between the lines.



You're one to talk about a "little kid" argument.

A. Since when is a hat necessary for looking "nice" and not looking like a slob?

B. How does a hat contribute to a PIC decision?

C. Little kids write in incomplete sentences and try to pass them off as complete sentences.....s-u-b-c-o-n-s-c-i-o-u-s-l-y or otherwise

Nice try sonny.

You must be a real treat to fly with, assuming seniority, experience, calling people sonny, et cetera.

Anyway, the hat does not contribute to any decision. I never said it did. You made that up.

Lack of a hat does not make one look like slob. I never said that either. You made that up by reading between the lines.

The hat, part of a uniform, distinguishes one from the crowd. That is all there is to it. Nothing to do with the hat itself. I'm referring to the uniform and the hat simply may be part of it.

 

[snow-back]

Several years ago in ATL, I was trying to get to the aircraft after multiple gate changes. After going from E to T back to B, I was heading down the escalator, sweating my ass off. I took off my hat and put it on my bag. As I was going down the escalator, a fellow Delta pilot was coming up the other side. This guy was pushing 300 lbs and he looked at me with a scowl, shook his head and pointed to his head as a reminder for me to put on my hat. That was the last time I wore my hat. The hat is a joke and anyone who thinks an airline pilot commands respect by wearing the hat, is probably the type who wears their uniform to get their mail because it impresses the chicks.

PS: You don't get paid to wear a hat!

 

[cocknbull]

PS: You don't get paid to wear a hat!

You get paid to do your job. Part of doing your job is following company procedures. Wearing your hat is company procedure.

This part is not directed at snow-back:

Someone somewhere well above our pay grade has determined that there is significant value in wearing the hat. That is why it is company policy. You don't get paid to make up your own rules you get paid to follow the rules. Instead of wasting time debating stupid points just put your cover on and shut up!

PS: Life would be easier for me without the hat. I wear way too much hair gel and when I take the hat off my hair is molded into some real funky positions. With that said I don't make decisions on Delta uniform policy so I must follow the will of those who do.

The best way for the anti-hat types to get their voices heard is to call their association reps and not argue their point on Flightinfo.

 

[GogglesPisano]

The fact is that when you are overseas, pilots are still treated with a great deal more respect than in the US. It may not be "the glory days of Pan Am," anymore but it is still a lot closer than what we have in the US with starvation wages and ... well, you know the rest.

As an interesting consequence (or causation) airline pilots overseas look a lot sharper than typical US pilots. The uniforms are more traditional and the jackets are usually worn at all times.

Delta is trying to be a gobal powerhouse and has to compete with that image.

If all you are familiar with is a spikey-haired, gelled up ipodoson, you probably don't understand how important the uniform is to some of us who have spent a lot of time overseas.

Rag away, ladies.

 

[cocknbull]

spikey-haired, gelled up ipodoson, you probably don't understand how important the uniform is to some of us who have spent a lot of time overseas.

Rag away, ladies.

LOL, I always look nicer than the captains with their feathered 80s haircut and mustache!

 

[Occam's Razor]

PS: You don't get paid to wear a hat!

You get paid to operate the aircraft, and make decisions.

You could do that without a tie, stripes on your shoulders, or wings on your chest.

But you wear those other three items, don't you?

Why?

None of those items give you "authority"...they're just uniform parts. Maybe the reason Delta pilots wear hats is because of discipline. Not the Chief Pilot vs. Line Pilot discipline...but self-discipline. It's a rule, and the hallmark of our profession is following the rules. If Delta makes hats optional (as they became at NWA), then pilots can choose. Until then, it's a rule. Those who pick-and-choose which rules they follow send a signal to others that they know better.

Mebbe it's a Marine thing...

 

[glasspilot1]

At TWA we had a mixture. Some wore hats and others didn't. Ya, sure it was a rule but I never saw it enforced; I think the Chief pilots and the rest had bigger problems to think about (Icahn, ect).

Most the Ozark guys left the hats at home, though I saw one around 1990 who wore his, but had chipped out the red paint in the hat emblem and replaced it with green!

I was a TWA hire and wore my hat. My attitude was I can comb my hair once in the morning and just cover it up the rest of the day!

After the AA deal was announced we wondered about the dreaded American hat police. To be honest I never saw anybody scolded about their lack of hat. After 9/11 it was not the most important thing a Chief pilot had to occupy his mind with.

 

[slapstick]

If all you are familiar with is a spikey-haired, gelled up ipodoson, you probably don't understand how important the uniform is to some of us who have spent a lot of time overseas.

You can just come out and say it: Freedom Airlines, Inc. ugh.

 

[FBN0223]

I think NWA and Delta had two of the sharpest looking uniforms in the business but NWA no longer really has a uniform especially in the winter months, OCT-APR, where one will certainly see several different versions (Leather coats, blazers, overcoats, hats, no hats and a few other versions that I won't mention.)

So here we are again with one uniform, hats and a pay raise. Sign me up.

 

[waka]

You must be a real treat to fly with, assuming seniority, experience, calling people sonny, et cetera.

Your hypocrisy shown below;

That is the type of argument a little kid makes.

You're the one that started with the ad hominems. Not that it bothers me but, I was just giving you a little taste of your own medicine

Anyway, the hat does not contribute to any decision. I never said it did. You made that up.

ahem. Remember, your reply below is to my post about the hat.

The point is, from the beginning, if you go up the jetway to the gate to lay down the law with them in regards to some PIC decision you've had to make that they won't like, if you show up looking like a slob they are more likely to think that your decision is equally sloppy.

Lack of a hat does not make one look like slob. I never said that either. You made that up by reading between the lines.

Again, above is your reply to my post about, you guessed it, the hat;

The hat, part of a uniform, distinguishes one from the crowd. That is all there is to it. Nothing to do with the hat itself. I'm referring to the uniform and the hat simply may be part of it.

However, in your previous post;

If you go up the jetway looking nice and perhaps wearing a hat and jacket, in their sub-conscience you are a figure of more authority.

Look, you're the one that started this with your implicit ad hominem about a "little kid" argument. Ironically to you, this is something a much younger person might say. Hence, "sonny" and "junior" fits.

My original post about the Captain going back to get his hat was partially a tongue-in-cheek example....as a swipe at humor (perhaps not your brand of humor). Nevertheless, the "humor" is applicable when people, like you, imply that a hat somehow generates or commands respect, subconsciously or otherwise.

Perhaps the next time you reply to someone's post, you could stay on the topic in that person's post. Otherwise, your intended meaning gets jumbled.

For the record, I don't get the impression that you're much fun to fly with either.