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AirTran takes unusual course
Rather than parking unused planes, the discount airline prefers to sell off pieces of its relatively young fleet, thereby holding down expenses.

By KELLY YAMANOUCHI
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/31/08
As AirTran Airways cuts flight capacity, it's not grounding planes — it's selling them.
It's a somewhat uncommon strategy in the struggling U.S. airline industry. Many carriers are reacting to fuel-driven capacity cuts by parking planes.

even if they're grounded or flying less. And that doesn't fit AirTran's business model, which strives for the kind of hyper-efficiency that keeps low-cost carriers in the air.
"We'd like to be highly efficient. We'd like to do it with fewer aircraft," AirTran Chief Executive Bob Fornaro told Wall Street analysts during a conference call Tuesday.
In the call, he outlined AirTran's plans to cut flight capacity by up to 8 percent next year. He said he would like to cut even more — by as much as 10 percent — if the airline can sell enough planes.
One of AirTran's advantages is keeping overhead and fixed costs low, he said. "Our goal is to maintain our industry-leading costs over time." Plus, selling some of AirTran's 143 planes would produce much-needed cash for the airline, which needs to cushion the blow of continued high jet fuel costs.
AirTran has a relatively young fleet, much of it updated, fuel-efficient models of the marketable stalwart 737-700 jet.
That puts AirTran in "a very enviable position," said Port Washington, N.Y.-based airline consultant Robert Mann.
The 737 could be sold anywhere, Mann said, but he warned that AirTran might avoid selling a plane to its biggest rival: Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines. "In general, you try not to have it competing with you," he said.
AirTran sold two Boeing 737-700 aircraft in April to undisclosed buyers for undisclosed sums. The airline said it has deals to sell four more and an agreement in principle for a fifth sale.
Fornaro said the number of interested buyers could grow if the price of oil continues to go down, freeing cash for airlines.
If oil goes below $120 a barrel, other carriers will start thinking about replacing aircraft, he said.
Selling a plane doesn't eliminate only its ownership costs. Every aircraft amounts to work for about 60 employees at AirTran, said Chief Financial Officer Arne Haak.
The airline already plans to cut its work force by at least 480 employees in coming weeks.
AirTran also has delayed deliveries of new aircraft. The airline had been scheduled to get 41 more Boeing 737s from 2009 through 2011. But it reached agreements with Boeing to defer 22 of those deliveries until 2013, 2014 or 2015.
"We were fortunate that we were able to strike a deal with Boeing," Fornaro said.
Boeing has an incentive to keep customers like AirTran out of financial trouble, according to a report from Credit Suisse analyst Daniel McKenzie.
Richard Aboulafia, vice president of analysis at Teal Group in Fairfax, Va., said AirTran's plane-shedding is a good move. "Restraint might be a very smart strategy," he said.
And if the airline industry's prospects improve, AirTran likely wouldn't have difficulty getting quick deliveries from Boeing, FTN Midwest Securities senior analyst Michael Derchin said.
"I think Boeing is there ready, willing and able to get them planes back, so I don't think it's a problem," he said.
ON THE HORIZON FOR AIRTRAN

AirTran is shedding up to 25 flights from its Atlanta hub this fall. The airline also is cutting jobs and plans to lower employee pay. What do these cost-cutting measures mean?
For customers

• AirTran's capacity cuts will lead to fewer flights available on some routes. That, in turn, is expected to drive up fares. Leisure travelers paying the lowest fares may decide they can't afford to fly as much. And with fewer — and possibly lower-paid — employees, passengers may see a change in customer service.
For employees

• The company plans to cut 180 pilots and 300 flight attendants. It's trying buyouts first: Today is the deadline for workers to sign up. If too few raise their hands, AirTran will start layoffs or furloughs. Flight attendants also are being offered leaves of absence. AirTran wants to cut employee pay by 5 percent to 15 percent, but the mechanics union has rejected the cut, according to the company, and pilot and flight attendant unions have not reached pay-cut agreements.
For investors

• AirTran is trying to preserve cash and return to profitability. It announced additional capacity cuts Tuesday, in conjunction with reporting a $13.5 million loss in the second quarter, and shares rose nearly 20 percent. Wednesday the stock closed at $3.03, down 6.19 percent.
 
Let me be the first to call bull$hit on this one. You don't sell airplanes because you want to, you do it because you have to.

Bye, bye scairtran...........
 
The response from PCL as to why this is the best business move since Bill Gates started Microsoft in...

3...2...1...
 
Critter must have a pretty good cash crunch going on to make them sell airplanes. Ususually when an airline does this, they are IN bankruptcy. Tough times ahead no doubt.
 
Let me be the first to call bull$hit on this one. You don't sell airplanes because you want to, you do it because you have to.
Bye, bye scairtran...........

I don't think you are comprehending the message of the article. It differentiates between parking and selling.

Airlines park old gas guzzling airplanes in the desert. They even have to still pay the leasing company for the airplane while it is parked in the desert doing nothing. Selling airplanes is better than parking them. We are selling airplanes we have not even received yet. Not a bad deal making 6 million on airplanes with less than 700 hours and receiving 10 million for a new one that we haven’t even used. We get 10 million for letting someone else buy the airplane off the assembly line instead of us.

Get your facts straight or better yet get a clue.


P.S. We still have orders deffered and options for tons of planes. If you read other articles Boeing could start giving us new airplanes upon request.
 
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Great news.... Great News.....

I don't think you are comprehending the message of the article. It differentiates between parking and selling.

Airlines park old gas guzzling airplanes in the desert. They even have to still pay the leasing company for the airplane while it is parked in the desert doing nothing. Selling airplanes is better than parking them. We are selling airplanes we have not even received yet. Not a bad deal making 6 million on airplanes with less than 700 hours and receiving 10 million for a new one that we haven’t even used. We get 10 million for letting someone else buy the airplane off the assembly line instead of us.

Get your facts straight or better yet get a clue.


P.S. We still have orders deffered and options for tons of planes. If you read other articles Boeing could start giving us new airplanes upon request.


Your right, Airtran is on fire! Growing and upgrades for all! Don't pay attention to this, it's just static in an otherwise story of an organization that is taking the world by storm.\
 
I don't think you are comprehending the message of the article. It differentiates between parking and selling.

Airlines park old gas guzzling airplanes in the desert. They even have to still pay the leasing company for the airplane while it is parked in the desert doing nothing. Selling airplanes is better than parking them. We are selling airplanes we have not even received yet. Not a bad deal making 6 million on airplanes with less than 700 hours and receiving 10 million for a new one that we haven’t even used. We get 10 million for letting someone else buy the airplane off the assembly line instead of us.

Get your facts straight or better yet get a clue.


P.S. We still have orders deffered and options for tons of planes. If you read other articles Boeing could start giving us new airplanes upon request.


mmm good! Tasty Koolaide for everyone
 
Yep, the fare sales are just not bringing in enough cash these days.
DAL sold a ton of options that we had for 737's a few years ago. It is common practice. The difference would be if they are selling airframes that are currently flying.
 
Actually, its a good way to make some cashola. We sold several of our airbuses that are in high demand and made some money. We have basically replaced them with the new ones that were delivered. Little or no growth, but more or less a trade of an old airframe for a new one. Additionally, when we sell these older ones, we put engines that have 15000 hours (stipulation of the sale, engines of 15000 hours or less) on them and swap the lower times engines out-- another cost savings. Easiest way to explain it is selling off a hybrid vehicle that has held its value or is worth more than when you bought it and replacing it with a like model... Last I checked, we weren't in bankruptcy yet, we've been doing this the last couple of years already...
 
Why do pilots take such joy in wishing or hoping that another carrier is in trouble or going out of business? It means that thousands of people are at stake especially fellow pilots that may be someone you worked with at another time. Aviation is a small world.
 
Why do pilots take such joy in wishing or hoping that another carrier is in trouble or going out of business? It means that thousands of people are at stake especially fellow pilots that may be someone you worked with at another time. Aviation is a small world.


I don't know...I wondered the same thing when the airtran guy up the street had a "DAL Bankrupcy Party" with his co-workers. Made me sick...
 
I don't know...I wondered the same thing when the airtran guy up the street had a "DAL Bankrupcy Party" with his co-workers. Made me sick...

I'll believe that when you furnish a name.

Most of the pilots here have been through at least one airline shutdown elsewhere, and most of them know better than to do something so tasteless.

As for the rest of this string, did you guys just climb out from under a rock or something? Airtran is hunkering down, but with 7 profitable years of double-digit growth behind us, it's time to take a breather. ;)

We're not going away, but 177 of our pilots may be furloughed, for the first time in our history. . . . . although I hope the number will be significantly lower.

Oh, and 400Ahole- get over it, already. So your wife ran off with an AirTran pilot . . . . enough crying, already .. . .pick yourself up off the floor, and get on with your life. Try to be less of a sniveling 400Ahole and more of a Ty Webb, and maybe, just maybe, you'll fool some other woman into your bed . . . of course, there's always mail-order :laugh:
 
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Say what you want but selling planes is not a good thing.

Keep up the insults though, they are funny, unlike your companies management and future business plan.

Ahole
 
We're not going away, but 177 of our pilots may be furloughed, for the first time in our history. . . . . although I hope the number will be significantly lower.

I'm with you and I hope it's lower. I think it will be less than 100.

Just for grins, we had a significant furlough in 1996 and a fairly minor one in 1998.
 
Your right, Airtran is on fire! Growing and upgrades for all! Don't pay attention to this, it's just static in an otherwise story of an organization that is taking the world by storm.\


Why do you take your LUVin' time responding to a non-LUVin' thread? You are nothing but a LUVin' tool! I don't wish harm to your LUVin' company, why do you seem to LUV commenting on a hard time at ours? LUVin' a$$!
 
By the way, I think we'll be just fine. It'll suck for the ones getting furloughed/ laid off, but we can jump right back in (markets) when/ if the time is right. So almighty LUV newbie, don't get your wet panties (or G-string) in a bunch!

PS. I know you're a newbie 'cause most LUV guys have class!
 
Actually, its a good way to make some cashola. We sold several of our airbuses that are in high demand and made some money. We have basically replaced them with the new ones that were delivered. Little or no growth, but more or less a trade of an old airframe for a new one. Additionally, when we sell these older ones, we put engines that have 15000 hours (stipulation of the sale, engines of 15000 hours or less) on them and swap the lower times engines out-- another cost savings. Easiest way to explain it is selling off a hybrid vehicle that has held its value or is worth more than when you bought it and replacing it with a like model... Last I checked, we weren't in bankruptcy yet, we've been doing this the last couple of years already...

Do you guys have some retired Navy Master Chiefs running your maintenance? I had a flashback after I read this to when we would get a plane from a "sister" squadron. Guaranteed to be "100% FMC" (that's Full Mission Capable for the Civ guys) with all the "best" parts installed.;)
 

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