For those that just love DHL and hate to see them go

[penguin22]

from IBT 1224:​

Contact Your Elected Officials Now!​

President Dave Ross urges everyone to contact their elected officials via CapWiz about the impending DHL and UPS deal. Please pass on the link to our CapWiz site to everyone you know - your friends, local activists, other ABX and DHL employees. The letters that have been provided can be edited for those who are not pilots. You do not have to sign on to our secure site to access the CapWiz site. If you do not want to use the sample letters that have been provided you can still use the site to find contact information for your state's Senators and House Representatives.

http://capwiz.com/ibt1224/

 

[shooter]

from IBT 1224:​

Contact Your Elected Officials Now!​

President Dave Ross urges everyone to contact their elected officials via CapWiz about the impending DHL and UPS deal. Please pass on the link to our CapWiz site to everyone you know - your friends, local activists, other ABX and DHL employees. The letters that have been provided can be edited for those who are not pilots. You do not have to sign on to our secure site to access the CapWiz site. If you do not want to use the sample letters that have been provided you can still use the site to find contact information for your state's Senators and House Representatives.

[URL="http://capwiz.com/ibt1224/"]http://capwiz.com/ibt1224/[/URL]

DHL has pushed my buttons of late, but I like working for ABX, it's people and the paycheck, even if ABX is providing great service for...them. It's a perfect site, exactly what I was hoping someone with the knowledge and tools would create. Thanks a MILLION!

 

[penguin22]

actually capwiz has always been on 1224's website, I think it just got moved over to the public area. The union just flashmailed us the message that I posted

 

[shooter]

actually capwiz has always been on 1224's website, I think it just got moved over to the public area. The union just flashmailed us the message that I posted

I am glad they opened that for people other than 1224 members. I just sent it out to coworkers, family and friends and asked the favor to please write. At least it can't be said we did not try if nothing changes.

 

[penguin22]

Apparently if anybody's from Wisconsin, they can be especially effective. Seems their congressman is a committee chair for some high falootin anti trust sub committee or somethin. Don't know the exact details there.

(Not that I think we can change the course of events here, but it will be fun to slap them up a bit)

 

[ABX9av8or]

Wisconsin has two representatives on the Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights – Chairman Herb Kohl and Senator Russ Feingold. The job of the Antitrust Subcommittee is to oversee antitrust law and competition policy, including the Clayton Act. Our issue is antitrust. Antitrust behavior is destructive to consumers for which we should demand action from our elected officials. Please send your Senators an e-mail and a fax. please follow up your letter with phone calls to the Washington office and local office - both. Follow-up phone calls are critical. Tell the aide you are a constituent and calling with regard to an antitrust issue.
D.C. Phone Local Phone / Fax
Herb Kohl (D-Wis.-Chairman) 202.224.5653 414.297.4451 / (f) 414.297.4455
Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) 202.224.5323 414.276.7282 / (f) 414.276.7284

Sample letters are on the 1224 site

 

[penguin22]

Seems the campaign to stop the DHL/UPS deal has gained unexpected momentum in the political arena. It's time to pile it on.

http://capwiz.com/ibt1224/home/

Lean on Obama. He's already been briefed on this deal. Get him to make ILN a campaign stop. In this election year, tell him he could OWN the southwestern counties of Ohio if he gets on board to stop this thing.

Remind him Ohio is a swing state, and the southwest counties of Ohio, which normally go Republican, could give him Ohio's 20 electoral votes.... which could give him the White House.
( Kentucky, UPS's state, only has 8 electoral votes)

We can argue the merits of an anti-trust case till we're blue in the face. But even the lawyers will tell you that when politics get involved, all bets are off.

 

[rotor&wing]

Seems the campaign to stop the DHL/UPS deal has gained unexpected momentum in the political arena. It's time to pile it on.

http://capwiz.com/ibt1224/home/

Lean on Obama. He's already been briefed on this deal. Get him to make ILN a campaign stop. In this election year, tell him he could OWN the southwestern counties of Ohio if he gets on board to stop this thing.

Remind him Ohio is a swing state, and the southwest counties of Ohio, which normally go Republican, could give him Ohio's 20 electoral votes.... which could give him the White House.
( Kentucky, UPS's state, only has 8 electoral votes)

We can argue the merits of an anti-trust case till we're blue in the face. But even the lawyers will tell you that when politics get involved, all bets are off.

Just one point here. Sen Obama has taken huge campaign contributions from UPS and the Teamsters.

I doubt seriously he would take a position so blatantly against them.

 

[penguin22]

Just one point here. Sen Obama has taken huge campaign contributions from UPS and the Teamsters.

I doubt seriously he would take a position so blatantly against them.

Your one point is empty.
UPS contributes more to Republicans than Democrats.

41% to Democrats, 59% to Republicans
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00064766

And taking a position against this deal is NOT taking a position against the Teamsters.
"The International Brotherhood of Teamsters remains committed to fighting to protect our members’ jobs in the DHL System"
http://www.teamster.net/redirect.ph...urces/dhlexpress/directormesssageaboutdhl.asp

Do you want to fight for your job or not?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Do you want to fight for your job or not?

Why do you feel you're "ENTITLED" to your job?

Is there ever a point where a corporation can reduce its workforce? If so, when? Are you advocating full employment until bankruptcy?

What's YOUR solution to halting the $1BILLION+ loss in the US each year?


BBB

 

[rotor&wing]

Why do you feel you're "ENTITLED" to your job?

Is there ever a point where a corporation can reduce its workforce? If so, when? Are you advocating full employment until bankruptcy?

What's YOUR solution to halting the $1BILLION+ loss in the US each year?


BBB

Ya know BBB, what's your beef here? These are ABX/Astar crewmembers that are concerned for their jobs. Why does any of this make a difference to you? What do you have to gain or lose if this deal happens to go through?

For someone that is a supposed UPS pilot you sure have a lot of interest in this.

Oh, and one last question: How many screen names do you have on this forum "Rhoid"? aka Big Beer Belly?

 

[TWA]

McCain expected to campaign in Wilmington By William Hershey | Saturday, July 26, 2008, 03:42 PM Republican John McCain is expected to campaign in Wilmington and possibly in the Dayton area at the beginning of August. At the Wilmington visit, McCain is expected to discuss the potential loss of 8,200 jobs because of DHL’s plans to turn its air-freight operation in Wilmington over to UPS’ hub in Louisville, a Republican official close to the McCain campaign said on Saturday, July 26. McCain campaign officials have been in touch with those in Wilmington who would be affected by the potential job loss, the official, who declined to be named, said. McCain was in Ohio on Thursday, July 24, to speak in Columbus at a presidential town hall meeting on cancer at the LIVESTRONG Summit, sponsored by the Lance Armstrong Foundation. Looks like your super hero obama isn't the only one that can take action on the matter.

 

[rotor&wing]

Your one point is empty.
UPS contributes more to Republicans than Democrats.

41% to Democrats, 59% to Republicans
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00064766

And taking a position against this deal is NOT taking a position against the Teamsters.
"The International Brotherhood of Teamsters remains committed to fighting to protect our members’ jobs in the DHL System"
http://www.teamster.net/redirect.ph...urces/dhlexpress/directormesssageaboutdhl.asp

Do you want to fight for your job or not?

First of all, I have been in a letter writing campaign already, making my contribution to the cause.

You obviously don't understand politics. If Sen Obama was so concerned about this deal, why didn't he make a stop while in Germany at the DPWN headquarters? Just think of the photo op and the press he would have recieved if he had done that. Also, think of how bad it would have looked if Appel would have refused to meet with him.

Don't kid yourself about the Teamsters. UPS is their largest shop, and this deal means a big boost to the larger of their membership. The teamsters are just as guilty of playing politics as the rest of them.

(and to be fair, ALPA is no better when it comes to political games either)

 

[penguin22]

McCain expected to campaign in Wilmington

I think both campaigns are smart enough to see this issue as having the potential to swing Ohio's electoral votes. If you assume Ohio will be pivotal in November, then you can't ignore this issue. The UPS/DHL deal could swing the Southwest Ohio vote, which could swing the state's electoral votes.

I'm sure Obama would love to take that traditional Republican vote, and I'm sure McCain wants to do everything he can to keep it.

It's a unique opportunity to have some influence. I'm sure the Germans hadn't planned on this. We'd be stupid not to take advantage.

 

[penguin22]

If Sen Obama was so concerned about this deal, why didn't he make a stop while in Germany at the DPWN headquarters? Just think of the photo op and the press he would have recieved if he had done that. Also, think of how bad it would have looked if Appel would have refused to meet with him.

Obama isn't concerned about this deal. He's concerned about getting elected. You didn't really think he'd make an issue of this while he was in Germany, did you? His stop in Germany was for a wider audience than just Ohio.

Don't kid yourself about the Teamsters. UPS is their largest shop, and this deal means a big boost to the larger of their membership. The teamsters are just as guilty of playing politics as the rest of them.

I've already linked you to the Teamster position. Trust me, we (1224) have the Teamster's ear on this.

Rotor, you can choose what's more important for yourself. Winning a stupid internet argument with me or fighting for your job

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Ya know BBB, what's your beef here? These are ABX/Astar crewmembers that are concerned for their jobs. Why does any of this make a difference to you? What do you have to gain or lose if this deal happens to go through?

For someone that is a supposed UPS pilot you sure have a lot of interest in this.

Oh, and one last question: How many screen names do you have on this forum "Rhoid"? aka Big Beer Belly?

The overwhelming sense of entitlement displayed by numerous Astar posters here frankly blows me away. My question remains. Why do you feel you are "entitled" to these jobs?

DHL is hemorrhaging one $BILLION+ per year in its US ops and your solution is to march around and demand momma DHL continue to provide the tit for you to suckle. You all are irrational if you think any corporation can sustain those operational losses year after year and remain competitive. Instead of marches, protests and DEMANDS of employment, you might consider providing a solution to DHL's predicament.

BBB

 

[hvydriver]

The overwhelming sense of entitlement displayed by numerous Astar posters here frankly blows me away. My question remains. Why do you feel you are "entitled" to these jobs?

DHL is hemorrhaging one $BILLION+ per year in its US ops and your solution is to march around and demand momma DHL continue to provide the tit for you to suckle. You all are irrational if you think any corporation can sustain those operational losses year after year and remain competitive. Instead of marches, protests and DEMANDS of employment, you might consider providing a solution to DHL's predicament.

BBB

I'm wondering why you feel "entitled" to tell us we shouldn't fight. I'm further wondering why anyone is wasting any bandwidth responding to you. Especially since it is quite evident you have no understanding of what is going on with DPWN/DHL, beyond press releases.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Hvy,

EVENTUALLY you'll arrive at the inevitable conclusion that you are NOT entitled to employment in a capitalist system. Once you internalize this your next move in life becomes obvious and productive for your future, vice your current useless, repetitive chant, "Save Our Jobs!"

I'd suggest you begin marketing your skills to another (hopefully more stable) employer.

I've had enough of this topic... ciao.


BBB

 

[hvydriver]

Hvy,

EVENTUALLY you'll arrive at the inevitable conclusion that you are NOT entitled to employment in a capitalist system. Once you internalize this your next move in life becomes obvious and productive for your future, vice your current useless, repetitive chant, "Save Our Jobs!"

I'd suggest you begin marketing your skills to another (hopefully more stable) employer.

I've had enough of this topic... ciao.




BBB

Uhh, that's the APWU's chant. Your ignorance is showing.

 

[shooter]

The overwhelming sense of entitlement displayed by numerous Astar posters here frankly blows me away. My question remains. Why do you feel you are "entitled" to these jobs?

DHL is hemorrhaging one $BILLION+ per year in its US ops and your solution is to march around and demand momma DHL continue to provide the tit for you to suckle. You all are irrational if you think any corporation can sustain those operational losses year after year and remain competitive. Instead of marches, protests and DEMANDS of employment, you might consider providing a solution to DHL's predicament.

BBB

BBB, this is not as black and white as your posts try to make it out to be. Your "entitled" to the jobs argument is way off target. Just so you look a little deeper than you have, remember the two companies here, ABX and DHL (prior to the German invasion) had their US business. Airborne Express was number 3 and then the new German DHL comes in and destroys it then goes running to UPS trying to make a deal that does NOT address the reason they lost all of the Airborne market share. And they are trying to do this without even talking to the two companies. If ABX and Astar feel they are "entitled" to anything, my guess it would be a sit down with DHL to try and find a solution to their problems before they just toss two long standing US companies aside. But I guess since that does not include UPS, you would object in one way or another.