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taxicabdriver

disgruntled employee
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August bid has 737 FOs flying 90 plus hr lines, jr manning has been going on all week and a memo was just posted for voluntary jr manning until the 28th....but don't worry, you'll all get a vacation in Sept when you get furloughed. This airline is about as big of a joke as the union that can't do anything for us. I like the blastmail that went out saying they were going to demand to rerun the IAH 73 BES, but then decided it was ok, they didnt want to impose to big of a problem to the company, so once again we get to take it in the shorts while the worthless union does nothing for us......Anyone else having this problem??
 
Burned out on the 756 flying 96 hours with credit. I've never worked so hard in my life. On the verge of looking elsewhere.......
 
Burned out on the 756 flying 96 hours with credit. I've never worked so hard in my life. On the verge of looking elsewhere.......

I'm in the same boat. Not really looking elsewhere yet (where am I gonna go) but I'm seriously considering moving to the 73. Don't think I can hold the 777.
 
And yes Taxi, CALALPA is about as worthless as they come. They were, are and always will be in managements pocket. Just look at the NC from POS '02 they are now in management if I'm not mistaken. One of these days we will have to throw ALPA out and start over. I'm happy for the job but this $%^@ infested pilot group needs to grow a pair.
 
Guys it is like that here at DAL. Many guys I know have 96 plus hrs of hard time this month and next month we are asking for about 170 or so leaves with 55 hr of credit pay.
 
Summertime travel always is packed. The problem will be in September, when 8% of all flights in America stop flying (ABC News said over 2000 flights per day will not operate as normal). When the kids all go back to school, the high time lines will drop, and this year it will be big time. Also, the airlines have announced a lot of aircraft parkings, and that will occur during that time. Let's just hope oil keeps dropping and we all don't lose a ton....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hey I plan on sitting reserve and finishing my basement this fall. Last year I literally did not fly for two months straight. After this summer I can deal with that.
 
Guys it is like that here at DAL. Many guys I know have 96 plus hrs of hard time this month and next month we are asking for about 170 or so leaves with 55 hr of credit pay.

Do I understand this correctly? Delta is asking for pilot leaves? I was not aware of that. I thought you guys were going to hire by the end of the year?

At CAL we have awful work rules. I am happy our union negotiated a LOA to reduce furlough numbers, but I must admit it is weak agreement. Many loopholes and questions still remain. Bottom line is we have a weak union. They tend to back down all the time. Issues come up and then just sort of disappear!
 
I'm in the same boat. Not really looking elsewhere yet (where am I gonna go) but I'm seriously considering moving to the 73. Don't think I can hold the 777.

You might not be able to hold the 737. Huge draw down in the 737 bases makes the odds of open slots minimal. It is not a matter of seniority it is a matter of open slots.
 
And yes Taxi, CALALPA is about as worthless as they come. They were, are and always will be in managements pocket. Just look at the NC from POS '02 they are now in management if I'm not mistaken. One of these days we will have to throw ALPA out and start over. I'm happy for the job but this $%^@ infested pilot group needs to grow a pair.

And, the same thing would have happened had it been the IACP. The problem is the culture. Only time will fix that, I tried already.
 
Can anyone tell me what happened to the CAL pilots who have upgraded in the last 3 years? Have they all been or will they all be displaced to FO's? Are any displacements occuring?
 
Well, the most junior captains are on the 737 EWR hired in mid Sept. 2005.

They are still on reserve.

Aug 08, 2008 all the volunteer stuff is due. (COLA, Early Retirements, Reduced Flying). I believe the system bid will be out shortly after that date.
 
Complaining that a less than a 3 year CA is on RSV at a legacy??????? They are lucky that they aren't still on RSV as a FO... much less a CA. Stop wanking....

tail
 
It is funny how some people read way too much into a post. Someone asked a question and I answered it. I thought the question was a coincidence since I had just checked.

I also hope I am wise enough to know, if you upgrade with less than 3 years seniority at a legacy airline you are probably gonna be on reserve for some time! I am guessing at least 4-6 years, but who the heck knows.

and dude, what the hell is, "wanking" ?
 
Funny thing is that this month I ended up getting the best schedule on the 757/767 I have had since last November in IAH. 15 days off with all weekends off and only 75 hours of flying. I'd vote this PBS crap off property today given the choice though. You just never know what kind of schedule you will end up with unless you are in the top 30% of your aircraft and seat... I really hope we don't have guys helping the company out on the 737 in August picking up open trips and volunteering for junior manning assignments for $. Time will tell
IAHERJ
 
Finally! Some, a little, and recognizable to management, unity. They offered voluntary junior man at 150% pay to all mainland 737 FOs. And in less than 24 hours they could see it wasn't going to happen. I got two calls into voice mail tonight to junior man. So late today their offer got bumped to any captain who voluntarily junior mans to an FO trip will get 150% pay. Paying two captains per 737 for x trips over the next five days will clearly get the beancounters' attention. All they see is the bottom line, and this is bottom line stuff. It may not last, but it is nice to see, for once, at CAL.
 
Let's make August a "NWA August." 150% for everything over 80 hours, for everyone. With average lines over 90 hours in some seats, maybe the pinch would be enough not to furlough.
 
Let's make August a "NWA August." 150% for everything over 80 hours, for everyone. With average lines over 90 hours in some seats, maybe the pinch would be enough not to furlough.


Too bad NWA is losing 150% pay over 80 hours in the merger. It's just one of many things that NWA has now and won't have after the merger. I didn't realize things were that bad at CAL.
 
Chalk me up as one of the guys that has not answered his phone either. Ive finally shut it off because of waking me up at 2am-6am. Seven calls altogether the last 2 days. As a junior lineholder, there are somethings more important than money. Ie: time with family.
 
Chalk me up as one of the guys that has not answered his phone either. Ive finally shut it off because of waking me up at 2am-6am. Seven calls altogether the last 2 days. As a junior lineholder, there are somethings more important than money. Ie: time with family.

My "alarm" went off again this morning just after 8. Didn't answer it.
 
Do I understand this correctly? Delta is asking for pilot leaves? I was not aware of that. I thought you guys were going to hire by the end of the year?

For starters, believe no hiring rumors until you actually see the guys in new-hire indoc. I think we all agree with that.

What he was referring to was the SILs. SILs were a neat little thing agreed to a few years ago. The idea is that when mgmt sees a temporary overmanning in a category (such as this fall's large drawdown in block hours) one way they can attempt to deal with it is to offer SILs, like we have for Sept.

An SIL does not ever have to be posted by crew resources, nor is any pilot ever obligated to bid on one or accept one. However, if a pilot did do so, and was awarded one, he would receive 55 hours pay for the month, but also would be on a one-week vacation with absolutely zero contact required to the company.

The company saves a few $$ because most likely the pilot(s) in question would have bid reserve and sat around not doing much. On the other hand, sitting on reserve (even if you don't fly) still entails a contact and required availability. So for the pilot who doesn't mind losing 15 hours pay (our reserve guarantee is 70) for a month off with no required contact with the company, the SIL can be a good deal.

In fact I know guys who have been awarded two consecutive SILs, then get 60 days of military orders. Works well for them!
 
Thats still pretty incredible at 3 years. Been at NWA for 10 years and I am nowhere close to upgrade. With the merger pending with DAL, its impossible for me to even guess when upgrade will occur?
 
Do I understand this correctly? Delta is asking for pilot leaves? I was not aware of that. I thought you guys were going to hire by the end of the year?

For starters, believe no hiring rumors until you actually see the guys in new-hire indoc. I think we all agree with that.

What he was referring to was the SILs. SILs were a neat little thing agreed to a few years ago. The idea is that when mgmt sees a temporary overmanning in a category (such as this fall's large drawdown in block hours) one way they can attempt to deal with it is to offer SILs, like we have for Sept. SIL stands for Supplementary Incentive Line.

SILs are one-month-at-a-time entities, only apply to the specific categories that crew resources deems appropriate, do not ever have to be posted by crew resources, nor is any pilot ever obligated to bid on one or accept one if one is indeed offered. However, if a pilot did do so, and was awarded one, he would receive 55 hours pay for the month, but also would get the month off with absolutely zero contact required to the company. This is in addition to any regular vacation the pilot has for the year.

The company saves a few $$ because most likely the pilot(s) in question would have bid reserve and sat around not doing much and getting 70 hrs pay, the reserve guarantee. On the other hand, sitting on reserve (even if you don't fly) still entails a contact and required availability. So for the pilot who doesn't mind losing 15 hours pay for a month off with no required contact with the company, the SIL can be a good deal.

In fact I know guys who have been awarded two consecutive SILs and spent 60 days flying for the reserves!

It has been awhile since SILs were posted, but we have quite a few for Sept.
 
Chalk me up as one of the guys that has not answered his phone either. Ive finally shut it off because of waking me up at 2am-6am. Seven calls altogether the last 2 days. As a junior lineholder, there are somethings more important than money. Ie: time with family.

This reminds me of my Great Lakes days when junior manning was rampant. On days off, you never answered your phone. You would always let the machine answer it. Junior manning was always the biggest QOL issue for me. I am sooo glad I can answer the phone today and say 'Nope'.
 
I've been thinking about this whole mess, The only way I would accept a junior man assignment was if the money I earned went directly to assist those who may be furloughed in the near future. Would have been a novel idea the union could have come up with. What better way to show your fellow brothers and sisters that you are on their side and you actually care about what maybe coming down the road for them.
 

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