Dl Makes $137m

[9rj9]

Thats what you don't get, its a pay rate reguardless of how the complany performs. You guys have let yourself become tied to what profit or loss your company makes. Yes, I agreed to make the same amount no matter what the company makes, when their profits are down, I still get paid the same.
The reason you lost those great payrates is sold out scope for them, it was only temporary, mine are holding up rather well.

 

[~~~^~~~]

9 RJ 9:

Weak sisters sold out? I hope you never have to visit a bankruptcy Court. It isn't a pleasant experience.

PCL128 - good job, nailed 'em.

 

[Networ-King]

9 RJ 9:

Weak sisters sold out? I hope you never have to visit a bankruptcy Court. It isn't a pleasant experience.

PCL128 - good job, nailed 'em.

Fins and PCL,

9 uniform, 7 furloughs, 2 bankruptcies and I still have 3 Seniority #'s......

I also work for UPS and have bypassed from DAL.... I have argued the exact points that PCL made on this board with some of the uninformed Captains here at big brown and I educate them on a regular basis. This was not the place to be 7 years ago and neither was SWA, but times have changed and we ALL have to fight the new fight. I hope to god that Delta and NWA get better rates then UPS, FEDEX and SWA because then, maybe we can piggy back on them and start restoring this industry to where this is considered a career again and not just a freaking job. Out of all my airlines, I have found out that the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence..... EVERY PLACE has its problems. Our contract here at UPS is one of the best in the industry ONLY by default and this contract is the unions 3rd contract since the beginning of the airline. Remember, the airlines is only 20 years old. What were the pay rates at Delta after their 3rd contract negotiations? Get where Im going with this PCL? Its a slow upward climb here at big brown, our management team absolutely hates the pilot group and there will be no changing that. After all my airlines, I'll take the company that hates my guts, but keep the paychecks coming rather then being employed by an airline that loves me and has to furlough me. Been there, done that....

Im not even going to get into the night time/ day time flying boys and girls, cause I hear all of you out there, the few nights that I do fly. You General are the biggest dou che bag on this board, you keep bringing this same point up over and over again because you have no new material and its beyond old so just STFU and find a new hobby. And I guarantee you that I made more money then most of your narrow body captains last year and I know Im gonna look a hell of a lot younger then you will when we retire........at 80.

Kudos to DAL for making a profit in the 2nd quarter and I hope you guys/gals keep it up for the rest of the year. I see a lot of airlines going out of business this year and many of my friends and fellow pilots hitting the street. It truly is going to be one of the worst years for aviation ever and its sad how some people actually get their kicks over the demise of other airlines, so their airline might prosper. Karma's a b!tch and it will catch up with you special people.....

Good luck to us all.....

Net

ps. Fins..

Once the merger deal goes through, where does that put the bypassed guys/gals like myself.... should I come back and knock you down a number?

 

[PCL_128]

Relax, Networ-King. I'm on your side. I like you UPS guys. I used to jumpseat on your planes all the time to get home from DTW when you guys were still in contract negotiations, and the pilots were always great. Everyone was wearing their IPA lanyards and supporting their union. Great thing to see.

I was just giving that no-talent ass-clown that attacked the DAL pilots a dose of his own medicine. None of us in this godforsaken industry really have a great contract right now, so no need to be attacking the DAL guys while they're in the middle of negotiating improvements while everyone else is getting hammered for concessions.

 

[AlbieF15]

Fins and PCL,

9 uniform, 7 furloughs, 2 bankruptcies and I still have 3 Seniority #'s......

I also work for UPS and have bypassed from DAL.... I have argued the exact points that PCL made on this board with some of the uninformed Captains here at big brown and I educate them on a regular basis. This was not the place to be 7 years ago and neither was SWA, but times have changed and we ALL have to fight the new fight. I hope to god that Delta and NWA get better rates then UPS, FEDEX and SWA because then, maybe we can piggy back on them and start restoring this industry to where this is considered a career again and not just a freaking job. Out of all my airlines, I have found out that the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence..... EVERY PLACE has its problems. Our contract here at UPS is one of the best in the industry ONLY by default and this contract is the unions 3rd contract since the beginning of the airline. Remember, the airlines is only 20 years old. What were the pay rates at Delta after their 3rd contract negotiations? Get where Im going with this PCL? Its a slow upward climb here at big brown, our management team absolutely hates the pilot group and there will be no changing that. After all my airlines, I'll take the company that hates my guts, but keep the paychecks coming rather then being employed by an airline that loves me and has to furlough me. Been there, done that....

Im not even going to get into the night time/ day time flying boys and girls, cause I hear all of you out there, the few nights that I do fly. You General are the biggest dou che bag on this board, you keep bringing this same point up over and over again because you have no new material and its beyond old so just STFU and find a new hobby. And I guarantee you that I made more money then most of your narrow body captains last year and I know Im gonna look a hell of a lot younger then you will when we retire........at 80.

Kudos to DAL for making a profit in the 2nd quarter and I hope you guys/gals keep it up for the rest of the year. I see a lot of airlines going out of business this year and many of my friends and fellow pilots hitting the street. It truly is going to be one of the worst years for aviation ever and its sad how some people actually get their kicks over the demise of other airlines, so their airline might prosper. Karma's a b!tch and it will catch up with you special people.....

Good luck to us all.....

Net

ps. Fins..

Once the merger deal goes through, where does that put the bypassed guys/gals like myself.... should I come back and knock you down a number?

Class Act Net. Nice to see that on the boards.

Good luck to you and all your current and former bros...

 

[General Lee]

Fins and PCL,

9 uniform, 7 furloughs, 2 bankruptcies and I still have 3 Seniority #'s......

I also work for UPS and have bypassed from DAL.... I have argued the exact points that PCL made on this board with some of the uninformed Captains here at big brown and I educate them on a regular basis. This was not the place to be 7 years ago and neither was SWA, but times have changed and we ALL have to fight the new fight. I hope to god that Delta and NWA get better rates then UPS, FEDEX and SWA because then, maybe we can piggy back on them and start restoring this industry to where this is considered a career again and not just a freaking job. Out of all my airlines, I have found out that the grass is never greener on the other side of the fence..... EVERY PLACE has its problems. Our contract here at UPS is one of the best in the industry ONLY by default and this contract is the unions 3rd contract since the beginning of the airline. Remember, the airlines is only 20 years old. What were the pay rates at Delta after their 3rd contract negotiations? Get where Im going with this PCL? Its a slow upward climb here at big brown, our management team absolutely hates the pilot group and there will be no changing that. After all my airlines, I'll take the company that hates my guts, but keep the paychecks coming rather then being employed by an airline that loves me and has to furlough me. Been there, done that....

Im not even going to get into the night time/ day time flying boys and girls, cause I hear all of you out there, the few nights that I do fly. You General are the biggest dou che bag on this board, you keep bringing this same point up over and over again because you have no new material and its beyond old so just STFU and find a new hobby. And I guarantee you that I made more money then most of your narrow body captains last year and I know Im gonna look a hell of a lot younger then you will when we retire........at 80.

Kudos to DAL for making a profit in the 2nd quarter and I hope you guys/gals keep it up for the rest of the year. I see a lot of airlines going out of business this year and many of my friends and fellow pilots hitting the street. It truly is going to be one of the worst years for aviation ever and its sad how some people actually get their kicks over the demise of other airlines, so their airline might prosper. Karma's a b!tch and it will catch up with you special people.....

Good luck to us all.....

Net

ps. Fins..

Once the merger deal goes through, where does that put the bypassed guys/gals like myself.... should I come back and knock you down a number?

Class act? Somebody called this lamo a class act? He has bitched and moaned since his furlough at DL, even though we who were still on the property tried to support him. Did we get a thanks? Nope. I wasn't the one green slipping while that was happening, yet Network Dork treated me like it. I was trying to support the furloughed pilots, and I sponsored a few and did what I could. What a joke he is.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

Fins and PCL,

9 uniform, 7 furloughs, 2 bankruptcies and I still have 3 Seniority #'s......

.... should I come back and knock you down a number?

Hell of a track record, gives you huge street cred in my book.

 

[Networ-King]

Hell of a track record, gives you huge street cred in my book.

Fins....

Make fun if you want.... at the time I never made side steps and thats just the way the ball bounced in my situation. I have no regrets about my experience because I can talk the talk and walk the walk.... sh!t happens and in my book hard times define an individual... not good times. As for the general? .... he's a lost cause... I guarantee you if I find out who this joker is at DAL, I'll find out how many green and yellow slips this joker flew during our 5 + years of furlough.

Again good luck to all involved in this god for saken industry.....

Net

Fins...

I still remember when you posted at a regional guy and your posts were not always so "delta positive". Take care....

 

[General Lee]

Fins....

Make fun if you want.... at the time I never made side steps and thats just the way the ball bounced in my situation. I have no regrets about my experience because I can talk the talk and walk the walk.... sh!t happens and in my book hard times define an individual... not good times. As for the general? .... he's a lost cause... I guarantee you if I find out who this joker is at DAL, I'll find out how many green and yellow slips this joker flew during our 5 + years of furlough.

Again good luck to all involved in this god for saken industry.....

Net

Fins...

I still remember when you posted at a regional guy and your posts were not always so "delta positive". Take care....

Yeah, that will be fantastic! You go ahead and try, and you will find that there were no green slips, and I guess you forgot what a yellow slip was (back then, a yellow slip was for reserves, to pick up open time---instead of being assigned the trip. That was actually very common if you wanted to control your schedule on reserve. I guess you let UPS control your life and assign you trips at will.....) Talk about a lost cause....Gooooood bye.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Networ-King]

Hey General.....

Give it a rest.... you're old news and I pretty much thing everybody on this board is tired of you sh!t and non sense..... I actually feel sorry for you....

nevertheless..... good luck over there at DAL. I hope it keeps up for you guys over there.... truly... Im tired of this profession sliding down to nothing. Even at UPS I don't feel safe for any given amount of time. Just a matter of time before UAV's replace this side of the fence. Lets hope we all make it out of this screwed up situations without any more jobs lost.

 

[General Lee]

Hey General.....

Give it a rest.... you're old news and I pretty much thing everybody on this board is tired of you sh!t and non sense..... I actually feel sorry for you....

nevertheless..... good luck over there at DAL. I hope it keeps up for you guys over there.... truly... Im tired of this profession sliding down to nothing. Even at UPS I don't feel safe for any given amount of time. Just a matter of time before UAV's replace this side of the fence. Lets hope we all make it out of this screwed up situations without any more jobs lost.

Feel sorry for me? Like I used to feel for your arse when you were furloughed? Riiiiiight. Not anymore. Great, you fly for UPS now......zippy di do..... fantastic. Go enjoy that. I honestly don't care. I enjoy Delta still after all of these years, and I enjoy this board. I don't care what other people think, I enjoy the banter and the industry. I just can't believe I fell for your s$%$. That was the true waste of time, not me enjoying this board.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fit59]

General,

I am very happy that you still enjoy your job at Delta, we all deserve such happiness. I love flying airplanes, and love even more to get paid a lot of money to do so. I was such the Delta wanna-be while flying for ASA; unfortunately things changed drastically after 9/11, something we all know about, and my dream of flying for DAL faded. I am delighted to hear that things are looking up for the fine folks over there, as I know many who still fly for Delta and I wish no one harm, however, your persistent arrogance does your pilot group no favors.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

General,Fins any Delta,

Do the yellow slips for reserve still exist? Can a resv. pre-plot trips? How does reserve at Dal work? IE: Long call is how long (its 12 at Nwa which allows some commuters to pull resv. from home), short(or regular resv.) I have read the resv. section but hearing from someone who is actually doing it will make it mo easier to digest. Thanks

 

[ACL65PILOT]

You cannot pull trips within 24 or 12 hrs. A yellow (high or Low) will just put a request in for a trip. They do not necessarily need to honor it.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

General,Fins any Delta,

Do the yellow slips for reserve still exist? Can a resv. pre-plot trips? How does reserve at Dal work? IE: Long call is how long (its 12 at Nwa which allows some commuters to pull resv. from home), short(or regular resv.) I have read the resv. section but hearing from someone who is actually doing it will make it mo easier to digest. Thanks

12-hour long call, 2-hour short call. Right now you can be assigned eight short calls in a month (with the JCBA it will be six) witch are 12 hours long for domestic and 24 hours for international.

Yellow-slips let you request either a specific trip or various trip parameters if you are needed to fly. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. There is no guarantee you will get exactly what you want. Honestly, I wish there was a "no-fly" option .

 

[Networ-King]

Feel sorry for me? Like I used to feel for your arse when you were furloughed? Riiiiiight. Not anymore. Great, you fly for UPS now......zippy di do..... fantastic. Go enjoy that. I honestly don't care. I enjoy Delta still after all of these years, and I enjoy this board. I don't care what other people think, I enjoy the banter and the industry. I just can't believe I fell for your s$%$. That was the true waste of time, not me enjoying this board.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General.....

You still enjoy flying for Delta because you have never been furloughed or have gone through a bankruptcy. You have never been on the outside looking in through the window watching your "delta brothers and sisters" pick up 5000 hours of open time in a month while you're on the street look for a job or have to go stand in the unemployment line with some real winners. Like I said before, good times don't define a person. Its real easy to sit behind your key board drawing a constant pay check and tell us what you'd do or how you'd do something IF you were furloughed. Its a different story when you're actually going through this sh!t, time and time again, being the constant cushion for the senior guys with their me me me mentality. Keep on enjoying your Delta general, but give it a rest with your typical banter and bullsh!t. Our friends and colleagues are about to hit the street for their 2nd, 3rd or possibly their 4th time. You have no clue how tough it really is out there, so take it easy. This is not 911... it's way way worse this time around..........

Again... good luck to all of you hitting the street soon. I know that UPS is going to be hiring soon, so if you're interested make sure to keep checking the online window.

Net

 

[General Lee]

General,

I am very happy that you still enjoy your job at Delta, we all deserve such happiness. I love flying airplanes, and love even more to get paid a lot of money to do so. I was such the Delta wanna-be while flying for ASA; unfortunately things changed drastically after 9/11, something we all know about, and my dream of flying for DAL faded. I am delighted to hear that things are looking up for the fine folks over there, as I know many who still fly for Delta and I wish no one harm, however, your persistent arrogance does your pilot group no favors.

I don't speak for my pilot group. If you want to group them all with me, then that is your fault. I will continue to give my opinions about this industry, and I will continue to enjoy the banter. You have to take FI for what it is, an anonymous aviation webiste. Don't get too wrapped up around the axle.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,Fins any Delta,

Do the yellow slips for reserve still exist? Can a resv. pre-plot trips? How does reserve at Dal work? IE: Long call is how long (its 12 at Nwa which allows some commuters to pull resv. from home), short(or regular resv.) I have read the resv. section but hearing from someone who is actually doing it will make it mo easier to digest. Thanks

Not like it used to. Now you can throw your name in the hat for a particular trip, but it is ultimately up to scheduling to decide who gets the trip. We used to have very senior people camp out on reserve and put up a "don't use me" device. That was lost during BK, and now scheduling will try to give EVERY reserve 69.9 hours, thus saving the company money.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General.....

You still enjoy flying for Delta because you have never been furloughed or have gone through a bankruptcy. You have never been on the outside looking in through the window watching your "delta brothers and sisters" pick up 5000 hours of open time in a month while you're on the street look for a job or have to go stand in the unemployment line with some real winners. Like I said before, good times don't define a person. Its real easy to sit behind your key board drawing a constant pay check and tell us what you'd do or how you'd do something IF you were furloughed. Its a different story when you're actually going through this sh!t, time and time again, being the constant cushion for the senior guys with their me me me mentality. Keep on enjoying your Delta general, but give it a rest with your typical banter and bullsh!t. Our friends and colleagues are about to hit the street for their 2nd, 3rd or possibly their 4th time. You have no clue how tough it really is out there, so take it easy. This is not 911... it's way way worse this time around..........

Again... good luck to all of you hitting the street soon. I know that UPS is going to be hiring soon, so if you're interested make sure to keep checking the online window.

Net

Yeah, I guess I have never been through a Bankruptcy??? (Didn't Delta go BK?) I am not going to apologize to you for having seniority. Should I have done a voluntary furlough? Would you have done that? Am I sorry I interviewed before you did? Not really. That is just luck. Your problem has always been entitlement. Why me? You complained the whole time, even though times were tough after 9-11, and ALPA did the best it could. You were seniority challenged, just like many people today. That is unfortunate, but reality. Some people chose to go to United and leave Southwest as Captains pre 9-11. Do I feel sorry for them? You do. People make choices, and that can affect them for their whole lives. It looks like I probably have the seniority NOT to be furloughed currently, and I am not ashamed of that. Also, I suggest if you are not married now to marry "rich." My wife does really well as an Ad VP, and that helps. My mom always said "you can fall in love with a rich girl just as easy as you can fall in love with a poor one."


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Networ-King]

Yeah, I guess I have never been through a Bankruptcy??? (Didn't Delta go BK?) I am not going to apologize to you for having seniority. Should I have done a voluntary furlough? Would you have done that? Am I sorry I interviewed before you did? Not really. That is just luck. Your problem has always been entitlement. Why me? You complained the whole time, even though times were tough after 9-11, and ALPA did the best it could. You were seniority challenged, just like many people today. That is unfortunate, but reality. Some people chose to go to United and leave Southwest as Captains pre 9-11. Do I feel sorry for them? You do. People make choices, and that can affect them for their whole lives. It looks like I probably have the seniority NOT to be furloughed currently, and I am not ashamed of that. Also, I suggest if you are not married now to marry "rich." My wife does really well as an Ad VP, and that helps. My mom always said "you can fall in love with a rich girl just as easy as you can fall in love with a poor one."


Bye Bye--General Lee

When I said bankruptcy I should have specified chapter 7..... nevertheless general.... you have no clue how it is out there and I don't expect you to understand how hard it really is either. I don't and have never expected anyone with good seniority to take voluntary leave, so stop trying to put words into my posts and making yourself sound better. It is what it is and the bottom line is that you have no freaking clue because you have never been in that situation. Enjoy your delta.... Im done with you...

Net