Open time with furloughs

[turbinesurgeon]

I am just curious to see what everybody thinks about picking up open time and accepting junior assignments while there are pilots on furlough.

I am totaly against it for many reasons but I am wondering what this community thinks of it.

 

[labbats]

I think this is a silly question because you already know the answer to it.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[WSurf]

Dont Do It!

 

[turbinesurgeon]

I think this is a silly question because you already know the answer to it.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

Its a no-brainer for me but I was just wondering what everone here thinks of it. Is there someone who thinks its ok?

 

[atrdriver]

Its a no-brainer for me but I was just wondering what everone here thinks of it. Is there someone who thinks its ok?

I think it's despicable, but there are a hell of a lot of guys that do it. Just watch the trips as they drop into open time, they disappear in a heartbeat.

 

[Metro752]

Well I spoke with a few fellow RJ right seaters where I work, and almost threw up in my mouth when guys said they didn't understand what was wrong with picking up open time with people on furlough.

Talk about a me-first disgusting attitude.

 

[ohplease!]

Its a no-brainer for me but I was just wondering what everone here thinks of it. Is there someone who thinks its ok?

90% of Delta pilots.

 

[Browntothebone]

It's all about ME!!!

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Well I spoke with a few fellow RJ right seaters where I work, and almost threw up in my mouth when guys said they didn't understand what was wrong with picking up open time with people on furlough.

Talk about a me-first disgusting attitude.

Thats why MESA SUCKS

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Pilots who do it should get kicked in the nuts...if they have them...

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Pilots who do it should get kicked in the nuts...if they have them...

They will call their daddy to tell your dad what you did. As long as you are kicking them in the junk. Snatch off their Paris hilton EuroTrash one piece lens sunglasses and smash them too.

I am seriously sick of seeing metros in the right seat wearing eurotrash girl shades.

 

[ultrarunner]

Like a previous poster said, it's all about 'ME'.

I don't support it. It keeps folks on the street. HOWEVER, it really underscores how there is an utter lack of unity in the union.

With a strong union, if there was a rouge bunch 'grabbing' open time, with folks on the street, they'd come home to find every window in their house broken.

Next time, they loose a finger....

Next time, your wife gets roughed up...

Then your....never mind....

You get the idea.

A pilot will sell out in a nanosecond!

But hey, you got that Pilot hat unity thing going for ya...how's that working out?

 

[Soverytired]

Thats why MESA SUCKS

Odd.

Mesa doesn't have anyone on furlough (yet).

Had to be another airline. Get your prejudices straight.

BTW, I don't think it's especially cool myself. On the other hand, those near the bottom are probably looking at being in round "two" of any additional furloughs, and may need the cash after lean living after a downgrade from CA to FO anyway. Plus . . if you WERE talking Mesa, those guys don't have any choice anyway.

 

[filejw]

Well if its was that important it would be in your conract or there would be a big push at the LEC level. Iv never heard anybody bring it up. I follow my contract to the letter good times or bad.
PS I maybe once a year I pick up high time to make my sch better or get days off.

 

[Big Game Hunter]

I can't speak for other airlines but at my airline the company has the ability to junior man and draft pilots to cover the open trips after reserves have been exhausted - including worked into their days off. This means that the open trip WILL get covered no matter what.

While I can certainly understand the emotional reaction to picking up open trips while there are fellow pilots on furlough, the reality is that even with refusing to pick up trips they WILL be covered and WILL be flown as scheduled. My understanding is that some airlines do not have this ability to draft (force) pilots to fly uncovered trips and therefore pilots not picking up trips would have the desired effect.

Now if the union says "Do not pick up trips" I would be glad to comply with that, but don't blame other pilots for a situation that management is totally to blame for and has caused. If you don't want to fly extra that's fine, I support that, but don't look down your nose at other pilots trying to provide for their families.

 

[BoilerUP]

Now if the union says "Do not pick up trips" I would be glad to comply with that, but don't blame other pilots for a situation that management is totally to blame for and has caused. If you don't want to fly extra that's fine, I support that, but don't look down your nose at other pilots trying to provide for their families.

Unity at its finest...uke:

The union shouldn't have to tell you something that is common frigging sense! One pilot on the street = NO OPENTIME. Period, end of discussion.

If management can JM their way to a covered schedule, so be it...but pilots who would willingly pick up opentime "to provide for their families" while their former colleagues are on the street without a paycheck would be among the absolute very lowest of prostitutes.

 

[ultrarunner]

Unity at its finest...uke:

The union shouldn't have to tell you something that is common frigging sense! One pilot on the street = NO OPENTIME. Period, end of discussion.

You would think Boiler...but that's not the case...

It's all about selling out...

 

[turbinesurgeon]

Boiler I use to think that it was common knowledge too

 

[BrownStreak]

It's funny how many people will stand around in the crew room pounding their chest about this but then you see them in the computer room 5 minutes later looking for something to pick up.

 

[joe_pilot]

I can't speak for other airlines but at my airline the company has the ability to junior man and draft pilots to cover the open trips after reserves have been exhausted - including worked into their days off. This means that the open trip WILL get covered no matter what.

While I can certainly understand the emotional reaction to picking up open trips while there are fellow pilots on furlough, the reality is that even with refusing to pick up trips they WILL be covered and WILL be flown as scheduled. My understanding is that some airlines do not have this ability to draft (force) pilots to fly uncovered trips and therefore pilots not picking up trips would have the desired effect.

Now if the union says "Do not pick up trips" I would be glad to comply with that, but don't blame other pilots for a situation that management is totally to blame for and has caused. If you don't want to fly extra that's fine, I support that, but don't look down your nose at other pilots trying to provide for their families.

I hear what you're saying, but will add this - If and when scheduling calls you on your day off, tell them you just had a beer or took some medication or are just plain unfit for duty. There can never be any enforceable action against you for (even repeatedly) saying this on a day off.

Support furloughed pilots when you can. Resisting open-time/junior-man assigments is one great way to do so.

-JP

 

[WabiSabi]

They will call their daddy to tell your dad what you did. As long as you are kicking them in the junk. Snatch off their Paris hilton EuroTrash one piece lens sunglasses and smash them too.

I am seriously sick of seeing metros in the right seat wearing eurotrash girl shades.

I'm not a fan of those either but, what do you expect? Should everyone wear those goofy Ray Ban Aviators and have a Marine haircut? I'm sure an nearly equal number can't stand that look. Point being, to each their own....no one can make everyone happy nor should one try. If a pilot is not violating a uniform policy, then just let it go man. There are much bigger fish to fry.

 

[WSurf]

I can't speak for other airlines but at my airline the company has the ability to junior man and draft pilots to cover the open trips after reserves have been exhausted - including worked into their days off. This means that the open trip WILL get covered no matter what.

How many times can they junior Man pilosts? My airline its 2 in a month and only 3 for a year. However 'only' is a bad word, 3 for a year is too much anyway!!!

 

[WSurf]

I hear what you're saying, but will add this - If and when scheduling calls you on your day off, tell them you just had a beer or took some medication or are just plain unfit for duty.

What????? If and when scheduling calls you don't have to tell them sh$t. You just don't answer the phone on your days off! The only time you have to answer the phone is on reserve. At no point are you responsible for anything that goes on at the airline while you off.

 

[Sig]

You just don't answer the phone on your days off! The only time you have to answer the phone is on reserve. At no point are you responsible for anything that goes on at the airline while you off.

Ya know how many "this ain't fair" phone calls I get because the pilot answered when crew sked went fishing for suckers? We don't even get "released" for rest via phone call... You're absolutely right, W. We are never beholden to the (at least our) airline unless we're in an on call window for reserve.

 

[PA31Driver]

It's funny how many people will stand around in the crew room pounding their chest about this but then you see them in the computer room 5 minutes later looking for something to pick up.

Isn't that the truth!

 

[Alchemy]

Simple, don't do it. Personally I don't pick up open time even when we don't have fuloughees, except for advertised trips (which isn't even really open time I guess).

Never expect to make more than guarantee, budget accordingly.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I used to pick up open time constantly... then many of my fellow pilots were furloughed, I quit doing it. A scheduler actually noticed I wasn't picking any up and asked why. My answer, because there are furloughs and when I am kicked out next month too I'd be pissed if anyone still here picked any up keeping me from getting recalled.
14 months later I finally was recalled.

 

[Grinder10]

Who wants to work extra anyway?

 

[dispatchguy]

No pickey uppee of the open time-ee.

Yes, as a previous poster said, they will somehow cover the trip, BUT, they may not be able to cover the whole trip, and just break it apart - and sooner or later, some OT will be left in open time.

When someone is on furlough - NO OPEN TIME.

If they need to be the bad guy to cover it; let them.

 

[WateryGrave]

It makes you a FVcking whore plain and simple.