Wondering About the NWA/DAL SLI?

[JohnDoe]

How old is your 747-400 fleet, 200 fleet and A320 fleet?

Per the "Aircraft Fleet Information" pamphlet put out by NW dated April 1, 2008:

747-400:
-6 with date of manufacture of 1989
-4 with dom of 1990
-4 with dom of 1999
-2 with dom of 2002

747-200:
-2 with dom 1975
-1 1977
-2 1979
-2 1980, 1 -1981
-2 1984
-4 1987
-1 1988

A320:
Not gonna list all 73 but the majority are 1992-2003. 27 are 1998 and newer.

A319:
All 57 are 2000 to 2003, except for 2-1999.

A330:
All 32 are 2003 to 2006

Detailed enough?

 

[FDJ2]

Per the "Aircraft Fleet Information" pamphlet put out by NW dated April 1, 2008:

747-400:
-6 with date of manufacture of 1989
-4 with dom of 1990
-4 with dom of 1999
-2 with dom of 2002

747-200:
-2 with dom 1975
-1 1977
-2 1979
-2 1980, 1 -1981
-2 1984
-4 1987
-1 1988

A320:
Not gonna list all 73 but the majority are 1992-2003. 27 are 1998 and newer.

A319:
All 57 are 2000 to 2003, except for 2-1999.

A330:
All 32 are 2003 to 2006

Detailed enough?

Good info, thanks.

 

[JoeMerchant]

To be more specific, mainline pay with mainline longevity and mainline seniority. And I cringe when I see EMB175s flying DC-9 and A320 routes

Ahhhh....but here lies the rub....That can only be accomplished during good times when the pilots have the leverage.....

These agreements are always cut when times are tough and managment has the upper hand....When times are good, mainline pilots don't care about "little airplanes".......

 

[Superpilot92]

Not according to your Finance guy. RJ ops growing by more than 50%.

What happened to your scope that said RJ's would be parked if mainline cuts were made? Did your MEC know about this before sending the letter?

First off i was talking about replacing RJ's at the new DAL. Secondly of course they are growing but that growth isnt new growth its the same growth that has already been announced for them. Thats talking about the RJ's that havent been delivered yet but already ordered. The scope still applies. You and I both agree that it shouldn't be allowed at all but that scope relief that is being talked about is old news. We need to be protecting further scope relief.

 

[dtfl]

320=13.5 years, 319=6.2 years, average 747 (all)=19.6 years. Entire fleet =11.5

looks like we have a younger fleet than the airline we're saving.

Saving? That left me with a good chuckle. Thanks.
Buying? Yes...more like it.

Ya know...you act like the Bill OReilly of airline facts. Why don't you worry about flying, making on time arrivals and departures...and less about what the age of our fleet is and how we "threw you under the bus".

 

[dbrownie]

Saving? That left me with a good chuckle. Thanks.
Buying? Yes...more like it.

dtfl;

That was probably a flame to see who would take

the bait. Most of us know the drill here.

You guys bought us.

I for one, look forward to working for a mgt team

interested in running an airline.

DB

 

[slapstick]

GL - for what it's worth, the MD88's have 142 seats.

And the LGA/DCA half of the shuttle will go to EMB170 or 175's after the summer. (persistent rumor)

 

[~~~^~~~]

That rumor is showing up elsewhere too.

 

[GogglesPisano]

That rumor is showing up elsewhere too.

I know Embraer's do some flying out of the MAT already. If they are shuttle flights do the PA's state, "Delta Shuttle," or "Delta Connection?"

 

[General Lee]

I know Embraer's do some flying out of the MAT already. If they are shuttle flights do the PA's state, "Delta Shuttle," or "Delta Connection?"

I think they are doing some E175 flights to MDW from the MAT, which doesn't bother me much since we have not flown that route. If it does well, then maybe we will put a larger plane on it. Also, if we can't fill an MD88 on the weekend for Shuttle flights, then why fly money losing flights? Throw an E175 on it and use the MD88s for MCO or NAS flights, which I think is what is actually happening. If you advertise "hourly flights", then you may want to stick to that. The weekday flights have more business people on them, and that means more mainline planes then. IF the E175s are total money losers on the weekends, then pull them too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[9rj9]

so next it will be ok for Comair to fly the 100 seater, as long as it makes money, right g.l.?

 

[EMBpilot]

Man, I need to stop reading this forum.. I really had a better opinion of NWA pilots until I read this thread.

Yes, Delta has old airplanes, so does NWA.
Good, let's move on and start talking about the next contract.

 

[General Lee]

so next it will be ok for Comair to fly the 100 seater, as long as it makes money, right g.l.?

I never said that. I also stated I hope all of the future E175s flown by us are by Compass, and for those guys to have Delta numbers. We were in a corner during the BK procedings with the judge, and we went from 70 to 76 seats. I don't think we will ever "willingly" give anything larger, to anyone except us. We also added payrates for mainline for everything OVER 76 seats, including E190s, E195s, and CR9s (with more than 76 seats).

BTW, I think most of Comair should be parked right now due to high oil. The 76 seat CR9s probably are a bit better, but our JOINT contract will hopefully limit those better than our current scope language. BOTH MECs will hopefully tighten it together. LOA 19 already has limited the future number of NWA RJs over 70 seats----they were going to get over 90 (?), and now they would get less due to our LOA 19 cap. That is GOOD.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Man, I need to stop reading this forum.. I really had a better opinion of NWA pilots until I read this thread.

Yes, Delta has old airplanes, so does NWA.
Good, let's move on and start talking about the next contract.

Please make it NWA has SOME VERY OLD airplanes, and we have some older planes with FMS and Autothrottles. That is more accurate.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[slapstick]

there are 170's going MDW to the MAT. they announce "Delta Connection"... they don't train the shuttle america people to treat it differently than other DCI flights. they used to serve pretty nice meals in first class, but not since April. Shuttle America should be getting their first EMB175's for DCI soon.

Shuttle America pilots all think that Delta will cave on scope. That's the hot rumor over there. That, and the scuttlebutt that they're preparing to operate A-320's under their own brand.