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Delta pilots chief expects no concession request
Monday June 9, 5:38 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer

Delta pilots chairman says airline unlikely to ask for concessions amid record fuel prices

ATLANTA (AP) -- The head of Delta Air Lines Inc.'s pilots union said Monday he doesn't think that record fuel prices eating away at the company's cash reserves will force management to ask for pilot concessions as the carrier proceeds with its acquisition of Northwest Airlines Corp.


Delta pilots are trying to work out a joint contract with Northwest pilots so they can then tackle the thornier issue of seniority list integration. Delta's pilots, in a deal they worked out with Delta, are in line for pay raises and an equity stake in the new company.
Asked if Delta might seek to change that deal in the future given that the price of oil has soared and is currently at about $134 a barrel, Lee Moak, chairman of the Delta pilot union's executive committee, said in an interview, "No. We don't see that."
"Hypothetically, if oil goes to $200 a barrel and we're not able to raise ticket prices and people stop flying the airlines, anything can happen," Moak said. "But at some point, something is going to have to give. I don't think it's going to be labor concessions. I think it's going to be rational ticket pricing to cover our cost."
Delta is cutting domestic capacity and shedding front-line jobs as it tries to weather the high price of fuel. Fares also have risen at times. Executives have hinted that more changes could be on the horizon if oil continues its meteoric rise.
Moak reiterated the union's goal of reaching a joint contract and seniority list integration agreement with Northwest pilots before Atlanta-based Delta completes its acquisition of Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest. The stock-swap deal, announced April 14, is expected to close by the end of the year, once it receives regulatory and shareholder approval.
"The contract could be done relatively quickly," Moak said. "It's just a matter of the parties coming together."

The bigger issue is whether the two sides can reach a seniority deal.

Seniority is important for pilots because those at the top of the list get first choice of vacations, the best routes and the bigger planes that they get paid more for flying. It is also often the reason pilots do not leave to work for another airline.

According to Moak, the pilot negotiators from Delta and Northwest were able to reach an agreement on a joint contract before the combination transaction was announced, but that was not finalized because of the stalemate on seniority.

He said Monday he believes this time will be different.
"I'm confident we're going to get a deal done (by the close of the merger)," Moak said. "But if there isn't a deal done, we'll continue to work on it."


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Seniority is the problem. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Delta is going to want to get rid of the DC9s and that's going to mean a lot of layoffs. Any "promises" or even contractural terms of "no furloughs" is a joke.
 
HA HA HA HA HA HA! What a JOKE! Concessions are not only on the table they are coming! This is the same "union" that listened to mgt when they said concessions would avert BK. Replan your budge Delta boys...you are about to lose another third!
 
Seniority is the problem. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Delta is going to want to get rid of the DC9s and that's going to mean a lot of layoffs. Any "promises" or even contractural terms of "no furloughs" is a joke.

Even an arbitrator could see that the DC9s will go first. But, we do have a couple things that are in our "corner"----additional planes on firm order coming--6 777s in 3 months (38 crew members each) and 6 737-700s(this year, more next year)----all going to fly INTL routes. Also, NWA work rules will change to our rules, which will force NWA to hire 200-400 pilots immediately to catch up. So, there is some cushion out there. More planes and work rule changes are good things.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
You may have the 787s; remember that it still hasn't flown yet so it will be a while. Our 777s will be on line in 7 months.

Don't like the current cards; stay solo and wait and see how many furloughs happen when a stand alone NWA parks the DC-9s really soon
 
HA HA HA HA HA HA! What a JOKE! Concessions are not only on the table they are coming! This is the same "union" that listened to mgt when they said concessions would avert BK. Replan your budge Delta boys...you are about to lose another third!

And to think some poor village is out there looking for this idiot!:laugh:

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You may have the 787s; remember that it still hasn't flown yet so it will be a while. Our 777s will be on line in 7 months.

Don't like the current cards; stay solo and wait and see how many furloughs happen when a stand alone NWA parks the DC-9s really soon

Flown? They haven't even gotten to the power-up stage. Actually "flying" it is a distant goal at the moment.
 
You may have the 787s; remember that it still hasn't flown yet so it will be a while. Our 777s will be on line in 7 months.

Don't like the current cards; stay solo and wait and see how many furloughs happen when a stand alone NWA parks the DC-9s really soon

Easy Helos...I was merely adding to the positives to the list that would ease furloughs.
 
Easy Helos...I was merely adding to the positives to the list that would ease furloughs.


Honestly, the 787s coming and your mass retirements may take years. I think the additional work rule changes to your contract and the subsequent hiring are more likely your cushion near term. It is still better than nothing.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Honestly, the 787s coming and your mass retirements may take years. I think the additional work rule changes to your contract and the subsequent hiring are more likely your cushion near term. It is still better than nothing.

Bye Bye--General Lee


To be fair, aircraft orders can be delayed or cancelled so DALs orders arent a sure thing either and could also take years. With things going the way they are in this industry anything can happen. Its not all peaches and cream at DAL either, we are all at risk for a downturn during this economy. Hope for the best plan for the worst. I think between the 2 companies we can pull through this quicker, we shall see.
 
To be fair, aircraft orders can be delayed or cancelled so DALs orders arent a sure thing either and could also take years. With things going the way they are in this industry anything can happen. Its not all peaches and cream at DAL either, we are all at risk for a downturn during this economy. Hope for the best plan for the worst. I think between the 2 companies we can pull through this quicker, we shall see.

With totally new aircraft (787), things can be delayed. We have FIRM orders for existing aircraft (777s and 73NGs), and I haven't heard anything about current delays in those programs. We get 6 777s from Dec 31st(08) to March 31st (09) with 3 coming on March 31st alone. The first 6 737-700s will come starting July thru December, and I believe more will come next year. That is good for you and me. Eventually you will see Vail and Quito in that 737-700, and you will relearn and love again the FMS and PFD.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
With totally new aircraft (787), things can be delayed. We have FIRM orders for existing aircraft (777s and 73NGs), and I haven't heard anything about current delays in those programs. We get 6 777s from Dec 31st(08) to March 31st (09) with 3 coming on March 31st alone. The first 6 737-700s will come starting July thru December, and I believe more will come next year. That is good for you and me. Eventually you will see Vail and Quito in that 737-700, and you will relearn and love again the FMS and PFD.


Bye Bye--General Lee

My point was that can all change. I agree its good for all of us that we both have aircraft on order but everything is subject to change right now regardless of what the "plan" is. Fingers crossed ;)
 
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Honestly, the 787s coming and your mass retirements may take years. I think the additional work rule changes to your contract and the subsequent hiring are more likely your cushion near term. It is still better than nothing.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah, adding an entire new fleet to an airline is better than nothing. The delays with the 787 program continue to plague upward mobility now at NW but eventually it will arrive and provide some movement for both NW and DL. And the short term, yes a better contract, with staffing requirements anyway, will help.
 
The SLI will be stalled. DAL mgmt will start to park DC-9's and furlough off the NWA list. The arbitrator will have to factor in the furloughed NWA guys in to his decision.
 
The SLI will be stalled. DAL mgmt will start to park DC-9's and furlough off the NWA list. The arbitrator will have to factor in the furloughed NWA guys in to his decision.

thanks for the forecast champ!! who would have thought the answers would lie with a CHQ/REP pilot who has nothing to do with the merger, thanks for the heads up!! :rolleyes:
 
HA HA HA HA HA HA! What a JOKE! Concessions are not only on the table they are coming! This is the same "union" that listened to mgt when they said concessions would avert BK. Replan your budge Delta boys...you are about to lose another third!


Less

Have a big glass of STFU and go pump some gas...

When you have a dog in the fight, your opinion will be worth something...well, maybe not.

OH, funny point...Tankerjackass PM'd me when I told him he would never work for DAL. He insists he can and will if he chooses to because he was some senators aid... Sounds like he is jealous of DAL big time.

Go ahead and say it isn't true tankerboy...I will post those PM's as fast as girls must run out of your bedroom.
 
jester,

Better play nice. You are going to get your pay cut (again) soon. That'll probably be followed by a furlough notice. You might want me to hook you up with a nice enlisted job.

For the record, I have stated that I would work for Delta to maintain a currency if the majors weren't hiring at the time of my retirement. And then I'll drop them like a bad habit when I can move on to an airline that pays well.
 
jester,

Better play nice. You are going to get your pay cut (again) soon. That'll probably be followed by a furlough notice. You might want me to hook you up with a nice enlisted job.

For the record, I have stated that I would work for Delta to maintain a currency if the majors weren't hiring at the time of my retirement. And then I'll drop them like a bad habit when I can move on to an airline that pays well.


You are an idiot, will always be an idiot and when you stop posting the world will be a better place.

Why don't you go back to sticking you nose up that senator's ass and keep it off these boards. No one, and I mean no one gives a crap about what you post. Look at your posts...there has not been one piece of information ever posted...just rants.

I feel I speak for everyone on this board who is now dumber having read your drool...STFU.

Why don't I did our your PMs and post them? Oh, and there isn't a Less >>> in the tanker world. Why the fake name? I guess you do really want to work for DAL. Put up or shutup.
 
Why don't I did our your PMs and post them? Oh, and there isn't a Less >>> in the tanker world. Why the fake name? I guess you do really want to work for DAL. Put up or shutup.

Please reread you last post retard. It makes no sense. Maybe you've spent too much time in ATL. (The good news is that you'll be getting a break from ATL after your upcoming furlough). I wasn't kidding about the name. Hate to say it, but maybe you don't have as many "connections" as you though.
 
Please reread you last post retard. It makes no sense. Maybe you've spent too much time in ATL. (The good news is that you'll be getting a break from ATL after your upcoming furlough). I wasn't kidding about the name. Hate to say it, but maybe you don't have as many "connections" as you though.


Yeah, that didn't make much sense...but I had your girl, um... doing something to me at the time, and well I was worried more about a stellar money shot than spell check.

Ok Less S....

I will save the posts and hand them to the people who will be doing the screening when we hire. Better yet, why don't you PM me when you come to ATL for a job - perhaps I could meet you over at the G.O. and "help" you through the process since you as you put it " the interview would be just a formaility" becuase you blew some senator.

You are my ignore list as of now - the time I have wasted listening to you BS is just that, a waste. Have a nice time pumping gas and I will be looking for your PM when you TRY to get on at DAL.
 
No concessions?

What about all those dudes with hats on selling Kool-Aid outside their MEC headquarters?
 

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