Off the Mesa rumor mill...

[atlcrashpad]

MESA SUX...... bouyyyyyyyyy....
J.O. blows......

 

[TAWS]

Might be.... Fact of the matter is so many fell in love with RAH and the E170/E175 and the damn thing burns more fuel then a darn CRJ.... Perhaps we need to go and park all those as well. Why operate them when a RJ700/900 is more fuel efficient? Thus why you will see all these planes in service still in 5 years IMO.

Have you ever asked a passenger which they prefer?

Have you ever heard what happens to a demand curve, as you raise prices?

Do you realize that the E170 carries more pax than a CRJ700?

There are alot of reasons why the E170 is popular with airline execs and why RAH (like them or not) is the most efficient operator of the E-Jet in the world (right now). I don't claim to know what goes on in the mind of airline execs, but for whatever reason they like this aircraft and time will tell if the E-Jet will survive the oil crisis.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Picked this up from a very credible source.

1. The evidence MESA has compiled going back to the D8 days out of JFK shows that what DAL is accusing us of does not match (outside of the company investigator). The judge involved , a MR. Clarence Cooper.. Has a record of being a by the book guy and not showing favoritism. And being very Fair. He even once ruled in favor of a convicted sex offender.

a) Scenario 1 : We win, Delta Pays us off lots of $$ and we no longer fly for them.
Scenario 2 : We lose, we file for Ch. 11...and we get a new CEO.

2. A "foreign carrier down south" is very interested in flying our ERJs and wants us(freedom) to fly them. There are rumors of TACA, Mexicana, or Aero Mexico

3. A good chance the company furloughing out of seniority.

Take SoveryTired's advice. The rumors will get more fanciful as Mesa heads for its demise. Put down the crackpipe and update the old resume.

 

[PA31Driver]

Okay, I'll play along -

3. ALPA blows a gasket. They start with information picketing and a PR blitz saying that ALPA pilots gave up their vacations to help Mesa through the hard times, took junior assignments and worked under difficult conditions to help the company avoid losing all of the contracts while leadership was preoccupied giving all the Aloha flying (and $52 Million in cash) over to Hawaiian. Prater beats his chest red on national TV.

:laugh:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....this is the funniest thing I've heard in a loooooong time! The MAG MEC is worthless and they are terrified of JO. I just cannot see the MEC organizing informational picketing.

Heck, just last week one of the new Capt. Reps sent out an email asking everyone to show up on time and get every flight out on time! Yeah, that'll show JO.

 

[Abernathy]

There are alot of reasons why the E170 is popular with airline execs and why RAH (like them or not) is the most efficient operator of the E-Jet in the world (right now).

do you know what efficient means?

 

[gator_hater]

Do you realize that the E170 carries more pax than a CRJ700?

Just Curious if the 66 pax on a Delta e170 are more than the 70 pax on a CR7.

I beieve that there are 64 seats on a 700 with first class, and I think that the revenue lost from two passengers is made up by the difference in fuel burn when you put first class in the 700.

 

[spitfire1500]

Actually yes the Freedom pilots could work there... Provided the pilots are brought on as contractors either independently or through a staffing agency. This is done all over the world.

Almost forgot

MESA SUCKS!!!

Pretty sad this industry...... Other jobs are outsourced to countries like Mexico and China because.....cheap labor and no labor laws. In the airline industry the US is the cheap pool of labor for the world.

 

[MCOE175]

That deal with never go through. There will always be a need for some sort of 50 seat pax jet. Period. And if you are an EMB guy the 170 burns just as much if not more gas then a CRJ700 and the E175 is less efficient then the CRJ900.

The need for the 50 seater is gone. Why do you think all the airlines are trying to off them here in the US. Post 9/11 when loads where light the 50 seater did a great job. But it is long out lived itself and the crj200 is on the outs. You are right the crj 700 and 900 are more efficient. But what the airlines like about them is PAX comfort, full over head bins full size lav and you don't have to hunch to look out the window. Also, people don't feel like they are sitting on a ramp.
Specific range on the 170/175 is not much more than the 700/900.

 

[MCOE175]

Just Curious if the 66 pax on a Delta e170 are more than the 70 pax on a CR7.

I beieve that there are 64 seats on a 700 with first class, and I think that the revenue lost from two passengers is made up by the difference in fuel burn when you put first class in the 700.

There are 70 PAX on the DAL e170 and 76 on the 175.

 

[Poahi]

I just cannot see the MEC organizing informational picketing.

They would at ALPA national's direction. Furloughing out of seniority is a huge RLA issue that affects every unionized carrier.

With both a bankruptcy and a weak contract, there's not much the MEC can do most things.

 

[TAWS]

Just Curious if the 66 pax on a Delta e170 are more than the 70 pax on a CR7.

I beieve that there are 64 seats on a 700 with first class, and I think that the revenue lost from two passengers is made up by the difference in fuel burn when you put first class in the 700.

This part's pretty funny!

 

[meyers9163]

Have you ever asked a passenger which they prefer?

Could care less and guess what? The execs could are less as well!

Have you ever heard what happens to a demand curve, as you raise prices?

We going into econ here? I dont see your point? Pax are not demanding a damn regional jet. At the days end a E170/175 is thus a regional jet. New flash I know.

Do you realize that the E170 carries more pax than a CRJ700?

The 6 paxs make a huge difference? I didnt realize those 6 made up for the fuel difference?

There are alot of reasons why the E170 is popular with airline execs and why RAH (like them or not) is the most efficient operator of the E-Jet in the world (right now). I don't claim to know what goes on in the mind of airline execs, but for whatever reason they like this aircraft and time will tell if the E-Jet will survive the oil crisis.

Execs again could CARE less about the E170... Which bird is more fuel efficent, who can do it for the least cost etc. If you think they care about anything more you are sadly mistaken sir. I would also caution you all your CEO is the same guy who got rich from Mesaba and left them high and dry. Best watch your own back first......

 

[Bako Cap]

The judge involved , a MR. Clarence Cooper. And being very Fair. He even once ruled in favor of a convicted sex offender.

JO will win because the "My VP was preoccupied with internet porn at work" argument will work this time.

 

[waka]

Could care less and guess what? The execs could are less as well!

Execs again could CARE less about the E170....

Proper word usage/grammar/syntax Nazi hat on;

You could care less? The execs could care less? Or maybe you or they couldn't care less. Think about the words you use. If you or they could care less, that means that you or they do care which is the opposite of the intended meaning.

Proper word usage/grammar/syntax Nazi hat off.


blah blah blah, I know. Someone is going to post; "I couldn't care less!" Well, at least it is proper word usage!

 

[meyers9163]

Proper word usage/grammar/syntax Nazi hat on;

You could care less? The execs could care less? Or maybe you or they couldn't care less. Think about the words you use. If you or they could care less, that means that you or they do care which is the opposite of the intended meaning.

Proper word usage/grammar/syntax Nazi hat off.


blah blah blah, I know. Someone is going to post; "I couldn't care less!" Well, at least it is proper word usage!

Ok... nicely done? It was 2am after working a trip. Amazing how that works. But you are right I really dont care.