Mesaba and Compass To Merge

[labbats]

Had a knock on the door at noon today. It was a FedEx overnight from Compass. I turned down the interview in Oct or Nov last year when I learned there were no more street captains and was surprised to hear from them again.

The envelope contained 3 sheets of paper with a list of work rules and an invitation to apply again as a FO. What is that all about?

 

[BOHICAgain]

Had a knock on the door at noon today. It was a FedEx overnight from Compass. I turned down the interview in Oct or Nov last year when I learned there were no more street captains and was surprised to hear from them again.

The envelope contained 3 sheets of paper with a list of work rules and an invitation to apply again as a FO. What is that all about?

You resume was probably found in the bottom drawer and they thought what the hell

 

[Flash]

All your base are belong to us.... yes sir.. 9 years and still going strong!!

You don't know your grammar! Geez, have these people been living under a rock? This is the best use of grammatical posting!

 

[ttuite]

The rules are changing. The expenses of having 13 direct flights to Sioux Falls have overcome the revenue generated. You may not see a reduction in capacity, but most certainly frequency.

What does this have to do with the economics of a merger? Instead of having 36 aircraft maybe Compass will only end up with 25. Mesaba may shed their 200's. So they will just be smaller companies. They still share the back office costs. They will both show a probable profit in the NWA system allowing NWA to move their money from one pocket to another. There is a whole lot more beneficial to NWA than just the cost of flying the aircraft.

 

[DoinTime]

I would bet that NW is looking for some way to dissolve their responsibility of a flow back in the event of a mainline furlough. I cant imagine that 200+ training cycles to accommodate NW furloughees on the E175 is very cheap.

 

[Superpilot92]

I would bet that NW is looking for some way to dissolve their responsibility of a flow back in the event of a mainline furlough. I cant imagine that 200+ training cycles to accommodate NW furloughees on the E175 is very cheap.

There is wordage that prevents the sale of Compass until certain requirements are met to protect from that. Thats why the flowthrough/back is good because it makes it tougher for mgmt to just furlough at the whim anymore because of the added cost. We shall see.

 

[DoinTime]

There is wordage that prevents the sale of Compass until certain requirements are met to protect from that. Thats why the flowthrough/back is good because it makes it tougher for mgmt to just furlough at the whim anymore because of the added cost. We shall see.

And if you actually knew what those provisions were and how they could be worked around you truly would be a "superpilot".

 

[Superpilot92]

And if you actually knew what those provisions were and how they could be worked around you truly would be a "superpilot".

I will be the first to admit i dont have the NWA/Compass contract in front of me. I have seen it though and should have saved it. From what I remember Compass has to be a specific size, among a number of other provisions. I am sure someone else can chime in here with the rest of it. Sorry i dont have Everything Memorized

 

[SplitBar]

The CRJ900 and the Compass E175 jet have the exact same engines. That allows for benefits that result from a common fleet type even thought it isn't a common fleet.

 

[waterski45]

Nice grammar. All the planes belong to who? Mesaba and Compass are already under one holding company (Mesaba Compass Holdings). There would be some serious contract issues for this to go through. This is a more realistic combo than Republic buying Compass.

Like stated earlier, don't believe this one until it's on paper. It's easy for people to look and say these two should be merged cause they are wholey owned. While it's possible, I wouldn't get too fired up about it yet. Hope your not swimming too long.

Hope you're not swimming too long.

 

[DoinTime]

From what I remember Compass has to be a specific size, among a number of other provisions.

The first premise of Compass is that they do not have to exist at all. Without Compass the number of 76-seaters then reverts back to the lower cap (55 airframes) and something will have to be done about the 7 extra airframes that are currently on order. I would bet they would just get them painted in Delta colors though as that would satisfy the NWA scope provisions.

 

[Moustache]

All you A$$holes do is speculate!!!!!! Get a hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hollywood82]

Think, think, think, why would anybody in NWA or DAL management want to merge any of the commuters. The whole reason for having them set up the way they are is to stimulate competition. Compass is already using Mesaba's office workers to do a lot of the duplicate office work. What efficiencies would be gained in a merger? Not to pour water on you , but you should be much much more worried about whether or not you will even have a job to go to. The way the airline business is right now we may all be out of a job very soon. It always amazes me that some if the younger folks on this and other boards seem to worry about whether the pilots at Compass, Mesaba, Republic, or Mesa are going to get unfairly ahead. As a pilot new to the 121 world you need to protect yourself with a back up source of income independent of the aviation world. If you are in this business primarily for the money ( I am not saying that you are) you will be very very unhappy during your career.

WOW, what a rant! You are preaching to the choir man. I know regional pay sucks. If I was doing it for the money, do you think I would take a 40K/yr pay cut to go to the regionals?

You never answered my one simple hypothetical question. What would happen to someone in a hiring pool if Mesaba and Compass became one? I never said it would happen, i just asked a hypothetical.

 

[DrewBlows]

WOW, what a rant! You are preaching to the choir man. I know regional pay sucks. If I was doing it for the money, do you think I would take a 40K/yr pay cut to go to the regionals?

You never answered my one simple hypothetical question. What would happen to someone in a hiring pool if Mesaba and Compass became one? I never said it would happen, i just asked a hypothetical.

Quit worrying. A Mesaba/Compass merger only makes sense to a handful of pilots who post on Flightinfo. There are about 100 flaming hoops to jump through before a merger can happen. If you haven't noticed DAL and NWA have more important issues at the moment.

The CRJ900 and the Compass E175 jet have the exact same engines. That allows for benefits that result from a common fleet type even thought it isn't a common fleet.

Splitbar, the CRJ900 and E175 do not have the "exact same engines." The CRJ has the CF34-8C5 while the ERJ has the CF34-8E. They are very, very similar, but there would be minimal savings considering the aircraft the engines are attached to have virtually zero common parts (maybe some fasteners).

 

[flylike44]

Like stated earlier, don't believe this one until it's on paper. It's easy for people to look and say these two should be merged cause they are wholey owned. While it's possible, I wouldn't get too fired up about it yet. Hope your not swimming too long.

you criticize someone's grammar and follow it up with that post? we won't even mention the fact that the mistake in question was made on purpose for the entertainment of others (except you, obviously). idiot.