Will DHL target ABX’s DC9 aircraft for cuts?

[fodc8]

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[erichartmann]

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Possibly, but I know that at least two of the DC-9's that were/are parked on the ramp at CVG are going to be "C" checked. 904 is in the hanger now, and 944 is due in at the end of the week. A current (or at least not to old) rumor has it that all of the parked -9's will be "C" checked. This could be because other -9's, now flying, are coming up on "C" check and will be parked. OTOH, if a large number of -9's are to be parked it wouln't seem to make much sense to "C" check any currently parked aircraft.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

I'm sure that would make ya'll real happy now wouldn't it?

But in answer to your question, yes, that's probably what they have in mind simply because it makes the least sense and they will cut off their nose just to spite (Hete).

One of the possibilities that I have heard is that the 1030 guarantee may be one of the things going away.

This plays along nicely with route consolidation in that it will allow more multiple stops without worry about having to get there in a timely fashion.

I can see it now. A 727 going ILN-TYS-LIT-ELP and maybe ILN-SGF-ICT-COS (or hey, this sounds like fun in the winter ILN-SBN-RFD-MSP-FAR ) with a nice ground time to unload one of the A-cans, roll it into the sort building, unload about half a can, load same can back on aircraft (instead of kicking about 6 C-cans out) and so on at every stop.

Yep. Sounds about right.

 

[shooter]

Possibly, but I know that at least two of the DC-9's that were/are parked on the ramp at CVG are going to be "C" checked. 904 is in the hanger now, and 944 is due in at the end of the week. A current (or at least not to old) rumor has it that all of the parked -9's will be "C" checked. This could be because other -9's, now flying, are coming up on "C" check and will be parked. OTOH, if a large number of -9's are to be parked it wouln't seem to make much sense to "C" check any currently parked aircraft.

That would be great news. But I doubt that we would be that lucky. With ABX and DHL management shouting costs and reductions I don't think the DC-9's will be around. The one graphic that caught my eye was the write down of the DC-9's vs. operating 767's. I think it was 1 767 vs. 55 DC-9 write downs. It may be nothing but I seen it as foreshadowing to "prime" the stockholders for a possible lousy DHL announcement. That would cost ABX a lot of crews and I pray that is not the case.

 

[shooter]

I'm sure that would make ya'll real happy now wouldn't it?

But in answer to your question, yes, that's probably what they have in mind simply because it makes the least sense and they will cut off their nose just to spite (Hete).

One of the possibilities that I have heard is that the 1030 guarantee may be one of the things going away.

This plays along nicely with route consolidation in that it will allow more multiple stops without worry about having to get there in a timely fashion.

I can see it now. A 727 going ILN-TYS-LIT-ELP and maybe ILN-SGF-ICT-COS (or hey, this sounds like fun in the winter ILN-SBN-RFD-MSP-FAR ) with a nice ground time to unload one of the A-cans, roll it into the sort building, unload about half a can, load same can back on aircraft (instead of kicking about 6 C-cans out) and so on at every stop.

Yep. Sounds about right.

You are right. Like I told TWA in another thread, if they keep reducing aircraft they will need to paint over the express in DHL Express.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

You are right. Like I told TWA in another thread, if they keep reducing aircraft they will need to paint over the express in DHL Express.

LOL :laugh:

They needed to do that quite some time ago however. They just don't get the concept.

"When it absolutely positively has to be there....sometime".

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

I'm sure that would make ya'll real happy now wouldn't it?

JJ,

I'm part of that "ya'll" you're referring to. And no, it would not make me happy. I think you can agree that I've been pretty consistent when it came to the "jobs" question that no one should loose their jobs whether they be wearing gray or blue.

FAJ

 

[Bitter]

Yes Yes and Yes

DC9's are all history. My guess is close to 200 furlough's.

Then I give DHL 2 years, and they will pull the plug in the USA. They truely do not get it.

 

[Box-Hauler]

If that happens I guess all we can hope for is an Asset sale to Astar, with the option of staying with CHIna Joe or going with the Daz.

It might not be too bad. I think I would like the 7 on 7 off better than our schedules.

Trying to stay positive....... breath in through the nose, out through the mouth........ repeat......

 

[shooter]

DC9's are all history. My guess is close to 200 furlough's.

Then I give DHL 2 years, and they will pull the plug in the USA. They truely do not get it.

I would think just the -30 series first. After they see their plan to try and be a FedEx but run like a UPS (without the volume) fails, everything else gets bled off. I will go long with your 2 year guess and throw 2 more USA CEO's in there as well. They could surprise me at the end of this month, but I doubt it. Arrogance and ignorance are pretty predictable and very hard to cure.

 

[Bitter]

Truck masters

Any one got the number for truckmaster's, i think I'am gonna need that!!!

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Any one got the number for truckmaster's, i think I'am gonna need that!!!

It's no joke. At least one Airbus Captain completed trucking school and got his CDL a few months ago.

 

[AV8OR]

Dan, I think the guy you are referring to is on the 8 now. The "gloved" one?

Shooter, et al....the greatest truth spoken here, and I've been saying it for 8 years now, on either side of the field is the comment that arrogance and incompetence are a perfect storm combo. We ALL hope that changes.

 

[356emain]

Has anyone seen or heard of K loaders being brought into C can cities?

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Has anyone seen or heard of K loaders being brought into C can cities?

I don't think that would happen. Historically DHL has used third party pukes (miami air service, worldwide air service to name a few) to do their dirty work for them with their equipment.

I know, it's easy for me to sit back and say this, but don't start jumping at shadows. 1224 has done a great job of leveling the playing field with Joe. I still believe that no one should have to loose their jobs come the end of May. Trust your leadership and call the Wizards out from the Crystal Palace when they try to BS you.

Hoping for the best for both sides of the field.

FAJ

 

[freightdogfred]

Youse guys are all fukked, on both sides of the field. While I ain't got a dog in the fight, I seen this pony show before, up in DFO (dayton fuggin ohio). The management divide and conquer playbook looks great on paper, and actually achieves some short term goals but in the long run merely drives up the cost of doing bizness-something that should be glaring apparent to both groups. A company unwilling to spend the money to compete in this market on new, fuel efficient modern airplanes will be squeezed out, so it's just a matter of time. Senior Ca's may think twice about bolting, cause they are making the cake, but it's a no brainer for FO's and Oiler's. The writing's on the wall, ignore it at your peril (like I did up in DFO) or jump now and beat the crowd. Best of luck to all.

 

[Meat n the Seat]

Youse guys are all fukked, on both sides of the field. While I ain't got a dog in the fight, I seen this pony show before, up in DFO (dayton fuggin ohio). The management divide and conquer playbook looks great on paper, and actually achieves some short term goals but in the long run merely drives up the cost of doing bizness-something that should be glaring apparent to both groups. A company unwilling to spend the money to compete in this market on new, fuel efficient modern airplanes will be squeezed out, so it's just a matter of time. Senior Ca's may think twice about bolting, cause they are making the cake, but it's a no brainer for FO's and Oiler's. The writing's on the wall, ignore it at your peril (like I did up in DFO) or jump now and beat the crowd. Best of luck to all.

Yea, that sounds good and all but jump to where???

 

[scarface]

As for the original question, DHL has made it quite clear they don't care for the DC9 and they don't care for ABX so I guess that makes it more of a timeline question for us(ABX).

 

[shooter]

As for the original question, DHL has made it quite clear they don't care for the DC9 and they don't care for ABX so I guess that makes it more of a timeline question for us(ABX).

I would think a few other QQ's would follow. Such as are they (DHL) eliminating themselves from being a competitive express provider by eliminating a number of cities that would get aircraft service.
-If not, what aircraft are they going to bring in to replace the DC-9's.
-If so, how long before they are no longer in the US.

 

[rotor&wing]

I would think a few other QQ's would follow. Such as are they (DHL) eliminating themselves from being a competitive express provider by eliminating a number of cities that would get aircraft service.
-If not, what aircraft are they going to bring in to replace the DC-9's.
-If so, how long before they are no longer in the US.

It appears DHL wants to go back to the previous way of operating before coming to ILN, focus on International freight and high dollar/low volume type clients. This goes back to the "niche" market that they were fairly successful at (and now I'll expect to see post after post of how they were losing money at that, which is not true).

I also suspect the smaller rural destinations will be serviced by USPS just as it were pre-ILN. DHL will focus on major cities with smaller feeders flying out from there.

Before you start a flame war this is just my observation from what I have seen. In my 20+ years of flying for DHL I have heard time and time again of our demise. What most fail to recognize is you don't have to be FDX or UPS to survive the freight market, but rather find a niche and go from there.