Noose in cockpit?

[Tejas-Jet]

Guys,

Any truth to the rumor that a hangman's noose was found in the cockpit of a US Airways/AWA cockpit a couple of days ago?

In STL?

 

[OnTheDole]

thats the last thing the AAA guys need... more rope to hang themselves with...

 

[dugan jones]

http://www.kmov.com/video/?z=y&nvid=244016

 

[get2flyin]

Uh-oh....sounds like somebody is going to lose their job.

BTW, Nice job by the cleaners to step up and claim it was racially motivated. Was the fact it that white dolls are commonly used as a symbol against blacks? Or was it the fact they had the name of the "unpopular new union" written on the doll that was racially offensive. I'm surprised they didn't call Jesse Jackson right after they called the news hot-line.

 

[jetdawg]

not trying to spin anything about how stupid this was but why does everything that happens need to be a racially motivated event.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Enter Speedbird34 in 5...4...3...2...

 

[Fly-n-hi]

not trying to spin anything about how stupid this was but why does everything that happens need to be a racially motivated event.

Well lets face it...the cleaners who pulled the "race card" obviously aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer or they wouldn't be cleaning airplanes, right?

Or maybe they saw this as an opportunity to make a quick buck.

Funny how you only see certain races pulling the race card all the time.

 

[Lampshade]

Maybe he was a member of the Cabbage Patch race? Some one call Jackie Chiles!

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Instead of talking to the station manager or the pilots to figure out exactly what the doll meant they decided to take a picture with a cell phone and go staight to the news.

At the end of the video the correspondent states that no diciplinary action has been taken yet. If I were in charge I think I'd can the guy who called the TV station.

 

[Lear70]

Instead of talking to the station manager or the pilots to figure out exactly what the doll meant they decided to take a picture with a cell phone and go staight to the news.

At the end of the video the correspondent states that no diciplinary action has been taken yet. If I were in charge I think I'd can the guy who called the TV station.

But then you'd be "racist" and they'd throw that and the "retaliatory practices" act and you'd be paying that $7 employee for LIFE...

I'm so sick of people claiming "racist this", "racist that". Racism died about 20 years ago. Affirmative action and the EEOC need to go the way of the doh-doh.

 

[mozzer]

But then you'd be "racist" and they'd throw that and the "retaliatory practices" act and you'd be paying that $7 employee for LIFE...

I'm so sick of people claiming "racist this", "racist that". Racism died about 20 years ago. Affirmative action and the EEOC need to go the way of the doh-doh.

Lear, I really don't post much as I'm as casual observer on these boards. I enjoy the banter as much as anyone, but this post was absolutely and totally ignorant.

You must be a WASP living in the burbs, behind a gate and happily driving your SUV to Costco on days off. I can tell you as a Mexican American, college educated airline pilot I have been treated unfairly countless times.

One night inparticular, as I was driving to a friends house in an affluent commnity I was stopped. My passenger and I were each questioned seperately, backgrounds checked and then left with a stern warning. "If there are any reports of activity in this neighborhood tonight, you two boys are the first I'm looking for" This what the cop said to us. Maybe my "airport" car looked out of place, but my money is on my skin color.

Racism is alive and well. As your post clearly demostrated.

 

[mozzer]

demonstrated. sorry for the spelling error.

 

[JumpersAway]

Lear, I really don't post much as I'm as casual observer on these boards. I enjoy the banter as much as anyone, but this post was absolutely and totally ignorant.

You must be a WASP living in the burbs, behind a gate and happily driving your SUV to Costco on days off. I can tell you as a Mexican American, college educated airline pilot I have been treated unfairly countless times.

One night inparticular, as I was driving to a friends house in an affluent commnity I was stopped. My passenger and I were each questioned seperately, backgrounds checked and then left with a stern warning. "If there are any reports of activity in this neighborhood tonight, you two boys are the first I'm looking for" This what the cop said to us. Maybe my "airport" car looked out of place, but my money is on my skin color.

Racism is alive and well. As your post clearly demostrated.

.........How in the hell did they get racially motivated out of that. They truly ARE ignorant. The noose has been used for hundreds of years, and was probably used to hang more white people than black people. Give me a break. Perhaps people are so trigger happy to use the race card it's causing more problems than it fixes- we may have a black president for cryin' out loud......

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Hmmm I still say the red lights and stop signs on Cass Ave. in Detroit are optional for anyone driving there after dark.... pedestrians be warned (whatever color you are.... I won't be slowing down enough to know)

 

[Caveman]

Lear, I really don't post much as I'm as casual observer on these boards. I enjoy the banter as much as anyone, but this post was absolutely and totally ignorant.

You must be a WASP living in the burbs, behind a gate and happily driving your SUV to Costco on days off. I can tell you as a Mexican American, college educated airline pilot I have been treated unfairly countless times.

One night inparticular, as I was driving to a friends house in an affluent commnity I was stopped. My passenger and I were each questioned seperately, backgrounds checked and then left with a stern warning. "If there are any reports of activity in this neighborhood tonight, you two boys are the first I'm looking for" This what the cop said to us. Maybe my "airport" car looked out of place, but my money is on my skin color.

Racism is alive and well. As your post clearly demostrated.

Yeah, it must be a real bitch having to subject yourself to the horrors of being a college educated airline pilot with a spare airport car. If only you didn't live in such a racist society as America there's no telling how far you could have gone. My condolences.

Like it or not, there is a disproportionate amount of crime done by a black and brown minority in this country. It's not fair that you were singled out based solely on your skin color. I get that. OTOH, what's a cop supposed to do? You fit a profile. They stopped, they asked, they moved on. What else would you have them do? I agree the cops comments were inappropriate, but other than being boorish they didn't do anything wrong. They were doing their job.

 

[av8tor4239]

One night inparticular, as I was driving to a friends house in an affluent commnity I was stopped. My passenger and I were each questioned seperately, backgrounds checked and then left with a stern warning. "If there are any reports of activity in this neighborhood tonight, you two boys are the first I'm looking for" This what the cop said to us. Maybe my "airport" car looked out of place, but my money is on my skin color.

Racism is alive and well. As your post clearly demostrated.

COPS are the most racist ego nuts on earth.. It is not just because you are brown that they gave you sh!t.... COPS f with everyone...

You break the law you should pay your due to society wheather through a ticket or jail or even a warning... but cops get off on going above and beyond to show everyone how big and bad they are...

 

[Cobra17]

I was turned down at Harvard Law School because they said I was "too white".

Well, that and my grades sucked....

 

[Tejas-Jet]

The noose has been used for hundreds of years, and was probably used to hang more white people than black people...

True dat ( maybe)...but in the case of the white guys that were hung....it was done with a trial, judge and a jury.

In the case of blacks....if the townfolk felt like an injustice was done ( like breaking a jim crow law or something)...then that black man was strung up byt the men-folk, without the benefit of a court of law, jury, or a judge present.

...all done with a wink and a nod from the local sheriff.

 

[PCL_128]

But then you'd be "racist" and they'd throw that and the "retaliatory practices" act and you'd be paying that $7 employee for LIFE...

I'm so sick of people claiming "racist this", "racist that". Racism died about 20 years ago. Affirmative action and the EEOC need to go the way of the doh-doh.

Come on Lear, you can't be serious. I certainly agree that the "race card" is thrown out there far too often in circumstances that don't warrant it, but racism being "dead" in America? I beg to differ. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a pilot use a racial slur, I'd be a much wealthier man.

 

[mozzer]

Come on Lear, you can't be serious. I certainly agree that the "race card" is thrown out there far too often in circumstances that don't warrant it, but racism being "dead" in America? I beg to differ. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a pilot use a racial slur, I'd be a much wealthier man.

Thanks PCL. My point was racism never ended "20" years ago. It still happens everyday, in and out of the flightdeck. I see, hear and live it.

BTW, I broke no laws nor comitted any moving violations that evening. When it happens to you, then you'll understand. Back to your cave....man.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

That was clearly not racially motivated. Just someone looking to hit the USAir lotto with racist currency. White cabby and union letters. BTW, those who are old enough, do you recall all the hoopla surrounding the purchase of a Cabbage Patch doll during the holidays back in the early 80's?

And racism is very much alive in this country. Like it or not. They say more educated folks are less prejudice, but it's more an issue of tolerance than unity and symbiotic bonding.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Most of you are missing the point. While I appreciate the "dialog" on "race and what it means in America," I am a little disappointed that no one has pointed out what a moronic and unprofessional act this was. I can only hope that the flight crew wasn't involved.

Irregardless of the purpose behind the "baby lynching" it shows an unbelievable lack of foresight and professionalism on the part of the person(s) committing the act.

If it was a pilot that did this:

Why don't you East and West guys just pee on each other in the terminal. It is just as mature and accomplishes the same thing (nothing).

 

[get2flyin]

If it was a pilot that did this:

Why don't you East and West guys just pee on each other in the terminal. It is just as mature and accomplishes the same thing (nothing).

Been there...done that.

 

[Dude]

The modern racism conversation is intellectually dishonest at best. Everyone has traces of racism and prejudice coursing through their veins. Speaking to the contrary is what's truly ignorant. There are exclusive groups for every race.....why? I will admit that there are more for minorities than whites, but there are exclusivities in every race. NAACP, La Raza ("the race"), Hair Club for Men, etc.... Minorities are really talented at being victims. This is truth and not ignorance. If I were a minority, I would be pissed that my activist leaders in our community think we are too stupid to do things ourselves and need handouts and special accomodation to do what everyone else is doing on their own.

These discussions are bull$hit because people do not have the sack to speak the truth. We are all cowards and the minority communities know it. This is why they are quick-draw McGraw when it comes to blaming their problems on their race. It is the quickest get "out of jail free" card out there. Why are white people the only ones that are required to be racially tolerant? The same rule doesn't apply to folks of color. Blacks and Latinos can be as bigoted as they please and none hold them to account. If you ever wonder, listen to thier radio shows or television shows. Rev. Wright wouldn't be on the news if he didn't know a Presidential candidate, personally. Sadly, his rhetoric happens everyday without consequence.

I am not a bigot, but I am prejudice. How can anyone not be? Dumbass is an equal-opportunity term, but when it falls on minorities it has to be someone elses fault.

p.s. PCL and the moderators are sure to blast away, so have at it. I don't expect my post to last thirty minutes before it's pulled.

 

[Cobra17]

At least it wasn't a "moose" in the cockpit. That would have been a real mess!!

 

[greyskyracer]

Don't worry Obama will cure all of this

 

[Bringupthebird]

True dat ( maybe)...but in the case of the white guys that were hung....it was done with a trial, judge and a jury.

In the case of blacks....if the townfolk felt like an injustice was done ( like breaking a jim crow law or something)...then that black man was strung up byt the men-folk, without the benefit of a court of law, jury, or a judge present.

...all done with a wink and a nod from the local sheriff.

How much of the injustice that blacks faced in the south in the first 64 years of the 20th century was precipitated by the undue influence of white northern liberals? Blacks were unfairly targeted as the bait that brought these white liberals into the deep south where they were intent on upsetting as much of the social order as possible in the name of civil rights. Many innocent blacks were victims of a violent backlash.

The south had lost alot of its power and influence after the Civil War and many whites deeply resented being looked down on by Northern White Liberals who felt they knew better how the social order should be in the south. Violence was the price for rapid change to generations-old ideas. Was it worth it? Has the face of poverty in the south changed much in the last 100 years?

Racism has morphed into classcism. People aren't necessarily prejudiced against the color of someone's skin, but more from their identity to a different sub-culture (gangsta, suburbanite, hip-hop, etc.). We have become more tribal and less of a melting pot.

Alot can be gained from trying to look at a problem from all viewpoints, not just what the media dishes out.

Having said that, this case more than anything else, gives folks a glimpse of how much animosity there is between the east and west pilot groups. People are driven over the edge with deep-seated hatred over feeling like there is no justice and they are just along for the ride ( a foreign concept for pilots). How Doug Parker can sleep at night when every day he abdicates his responsibility to lead the airline, is beyond me.

 

[trainer8]

Racial??? The Cabbage Patch kid with "new Union" written on it? Does anyone read these boards and not see the proverbial "hate and vitriol" feces Westies and Easties throw at each other?

Shouldn't be hard to track down the individual who did it. If it is treated as a crime scene -which it might-they'll be able to pull a print off the doll or rope and match the FBI data base.

T8

 

[PCL_128]

Crime scene?

 

[seefive]

Thanks PCL. My point was racism never ended "20" years ago. It still happens everyday, in and out of the flightdeck. I see, hear and live it.

BTW, I broke no laws nor comitted any moving violations that evening. When it happens to you, then you'll understand. Back to your cave....man.

Yes......racism isn't dead. But there's more black on white racism than ever in our world.