DALLAPA this is fair ?

[FDJ2]

THIS is part of the disconnect in determining the WB factor between the two carriers - NWA's International flying is a premium pay difference (on our relative scales) making it a more senior position.

I wouldn't be bragging too much about that "premium" pay. A 7 year NWA A330 F/O makes as much as a DAL 7 year 737 F/O.

On a related note, I hear the CRJ700 is considered premium flying at many regionals too.

At the end of the day it's how much you make that matters.

Contractual values play a part in SLIs. If you merged with Kalitta, would you consider their 747s "premium" flying and slot them in with your 747s?

 

[PuffDriver]

I wouldn't be bragging too much about that "premium" pay. A 7 year NWA A330 F/O makes as much as a DAL 7 year 737 F/O.

On a related note, I hear the CRJ700 is considered premium flying at many regionals too.

At the end of the day it's how much you make that matters.

Contractual values play a part in SLIs. If you merged with Kalitta, would you consider their 747s "premium" flying and slot them in with your 747s?

This "premium" flying thing is a complete joke. Over the pond is over the pond. Ours pays more, end of story. The fact that NWA pay will be brought up DRAMATICALLY throughout the fleet WILL be a factor in arbitration. You guys are throwing out red herrings. It's like us saying that Fargo doesn't count because it is not premium domestic flying.

You guys can't do any better that this? I hope your merger committee members in arbitration do.

 

[General Lee]

Not true,

NWA new hires mostly go to the DC-9. Some S/O positions on the 747-200F in ANK were awarded to new hires, but usually the ANK S/O are ropes.

The Ropes will be 747 Captains soon. But wait, I thought you said over 100 of your age 60 guys just retired? Why would a rope still be there? If he does stay, he will be a Captain on something soon, thanks to those other 100 leaving....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[123]

Why would a rope still be there?

Bye Bye--General Lee

4 year seat lock.....

 

[Superpilot92]

your new hires go to the dc-9or so 747 ours go to the 76er, enough said

Gee wonder why? I wouldn't want to go to JFK either. nuff said

 

[GogglesPisano]

NYC ER is both very junior and very senior. Very commutable trips and the best flying at Delta.

 

[PuffDriver]

NYC ER is both very junior and very senior. Very commutable trips and the best flying at Delta.

Not to mention that many of them bid ATL 7ER on the very first bid that comes out after they were hired. Atlanta 7er lineholding f/o is less than a year

 

[Speedbird34]

Because 76ER is considered undesirable duty due to it only paying a small difference in pay over domestic flying that keeps you within 3 time zones of home. (Probably 0 on probation except for the per diem). Been their done that, have the passport stamps - I like the occasional EU trip, but not as my bread and butter. I'll take NB Captain over WB F/O any day.

If I want to go see EU or Asia I'll go on vacation, not a sleep deprived 24hr lay over.

Of course all the DAL newbies coming from their CRJ or EMB think they are s**t hot international pilots, while those who have been around a while bid domestic which goes senior. I bet many bid back domestic in short order.

THIS is part of the disconnect in determining the WB factor between the two carriers - NWA's International flying is a premium pay difference (on our relative scales) making it a more senior position.

I guarantee you that if the pay scales were within a few dollars the 757 at NWA with domestic, Hawaii, AK, international, and Asia intra-port would be the senior position - sort of like the DAL 76 Intl/domestic.

DALPA's disingenuous attempt to devalue that flying by putting our 330 and 744 in LOA 19 at less than the 777 and 767ER so they can say ours is not premium WB is transparent.

The real question is how to realistically meld and integrate the two different types of WB flying to preserve the truly premium fly for both sides while not devaluing it or other categories simply for the exercise of saying NW brings less to the table.

You sound really strange at times. Most new hires can hold 767/757 International/ domestic or what ever you call it. We can also hold almost any base we want. Life is great here and the layovers are awesome. We rest on the airplane and have great layovers with enough rest. One of the best jobs at Delta is the 767ER.
I have come across a lot of decent Northwest pilots and I am shocked at times listening to your comments.
I believe northwest pilots are their own worst enemies and I fully support my MEC and our excellent chairman Lee.
for your information guys. he was voted in unopposed. he is a very fair person and has your interest at heart.
I hope you do not think I am arrogant but you should be happy that you are becoming a Delta pilot. We have a great thing going here.
We are being forced to share it with you by the hedge fund guys and your management. enjoy the ride and stop the constant drone of misery. I would love a huge pay raise in return for a little loss of seniority. It all comes down to better work rules and pay in the end dude. Lighten up we are not going to let you rape us at Delta. we are not stupid guys here. Delta hires some of the best and luckiest pilots in the world. do not try our luck it may ruin your life.

 

[Superpilot92]

You sound really strange at times. Most new hires can hold 767/757 International/ domestic or what ever you call it. We can also hold almost any base we want. Life is great here and the layovers are awesome. We rest on the airplane and have great layovers with enough rest. One of the best jobs at Delta is the 767ER.
I have come across a lot of decent Northwest pilots and I am shocked at times listening to your comments.
I believe northwest pilots are their own worst enemies and I fully support my MEC and our excellent chairman Lee.
for your information guys. he was voted in unopposed. he is a very fair person and has your interest at heart.
I hope you dont think i am arrogant but you should be happy that you are becoming a Delta pilot. We have a great thing going here. Yeah you're right you appear to be arrogant.
We are being forced to share it with you by the hedge fund guys and your management. enjoy the ride and stop the constant drone of misery. I would love a huge pay raise in return for a little loss of seniority.glad you dont mind because you just might get what you ask for It all comes down to better work rules and pay in the end dude. Lighten up we are not going to let you rape us at Delta. we are not stupid guys here. Delta hires some of the best and luckiest pilots in the world. do not try our luck it may ruin your life.

WOW uke:

I guess you feel that we should bow down because we get the "honor" of being a DAL pilot. I guess you feel that we dont have a "good" thing going for us? Your High horse stance is a huge part of the problem we all face right now.

 

[DTW320]

WOW is right Superpilot....

I would love a huge pay raise in return for a little loss of seniority.

Wow is right.....I would love to sell my seniority for a some $. Delta is such a great company that they would NEVER try to take any of that money away. And if they "had" to, I'm sure they would give me my sacrificed seniority back to make up for it right?

I hope you do not think I am arrogant but you should be happy that you are becoming a Delta pilot. We have a great thing going here.

And you have it in writing that it will always be so, even with $150+ oil right? Post that contract language for that and, after consulting with my lawyer, I'll sign up for the seniority for $ swap-meet.

Wow.....Just.....Wow.

 

[nwaredtail]

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Wow is right.....I would love to sell my seniority for a some $.

OK, tell you what. I will give you my equity stake for DOH. How that be?

 

[Noserider76]

WOW is right Superpilot....


Wow is right.....

Wow.....Just.....Wow.

Did you give your password to Swanker?

 

[PlaneDrvr]

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OK, tell you what. I will give you my equity stake for DOH. How that be?

Well, don't work for NW or DL, so definitely don't have a dog in this fight. That said, do you realize it seems things were a lot easier before 1991 when alpa did away with 'DOH.' Sure, as always, there were guys that were pi$$ off afterward, as in any merger integration; however, at least everyone 'knew' how things were going to shake out with the list, as there is NO arguement with 'date of hire.' Then the groups can argue about the the C&S (conditions and restrictions) and 'fences' which were design to 'protect' Everyone's 'normal/expected career progression' (pre-merger) prior to the merger, and such things as 'fleets types, retirements, etc' would be taken into account.

Since DOH was done away with in alpa, look at what we are left with; US/AWA, and now this NW/DL probably going down the same path??

But, then again, it was mostly thanks to DL pilots that DOH went away; otherwise, there would have been no way they could have put the PanAM pilots down the list. Then again, also remember if it wasn't for the North Atl routes that DL got from PanAm, they probably would have never made it out of BK.

Just some thoughts, for what's it worth. Now back to your normal NW/DL rant.

PD

P.S. just another thought, wonder why 'pilots' are the only group of (union) workers out there who don't use 'DOH' and also we are the only ones who have these problems????

 

[PuffDriver]

[/QUOTE]P.S. just another thought, wonder why 'pilots' are the only group of (union) workers out there who don't use 'DOH' and also we are the only ones who have these problems????[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more with your post, but we are where we are. Come of us came in after the fact.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Oil up again today. Me thinks Loa19 will never see the light of day. Much better chance of paycuts and layoffs. My guess is when they are thru with this it will be 9000ish pilot airline or less with a contract that will make the ch11 contracts look good. This is why seniority is so important. I do think we dal/nwa will be a survivor though and that is why BOTH need to negotiate and both bend a little so no one gets a windfall. Or is it a winfall? There is going to be 1000s of layoffs but we will survive. As we all have seen pay and benes come and go but seniority is all you have in this industry. And I am not advocating doh just fair. Lets hope some of these smart guys we both have can work it out.