NWALPA's response to it's members.....

[aircowboy]

The "sir yes sir southern boys" have forced the NWA pilots to circle the wagons. Why am I not suprised that the same group that caved on scope and gave the unlimited RJs gift to us all would pull a move like this.

 

[aircowboy]

 

[hockeypilot44]

What are the chances of new Delta aircraft going to NWA instead of Delta because NWA pays less? This might end up like the regional whipsaw on a much bigger scale. DALPA took for itself short term without considering the consequences.

 

[HAL]

Guys, after seeing what this kind of rancor did to the AWA/US merger, please, please, take the time to step back (both sides) and stop bickering about the small stuff. Get together, and get a good contract; don't worry about who is getting a 'bigger raise'. Merge equitably, with a few minor fences to protect whatever flying you feel is 'special' to your side of the deal. But most of all, take the long term view. Most of you will have to live with the results for a couple decades or more and in the end, it is the people sitting next to you in the cockpit that make or break the job. Don't get so bogged down in greed that you end up hating the 'other side' for the rest of your career. Git 'er done, shake hands, and work on getting the BEST contract for everyone. If you have to ask how bad it can get, just wait for the responses from the former AWA or US pilots.

HAL

 

[Flybet3]

Guys, after seeing what this kind of rancor did to the AWA/US merger, please, please, take the time to step back (both sides) and stop bickering about the small stuff. Get together, and get a good contract; don't worry about who is getting a 'bigger raise'. Merge equitably, with a few minor fences to protect whatever flying you feel is 'special' to your side of the deal. But most of all, take the long term view. Most of you will have to live with the results for a couple decades or more and in the end, it is the people sitting next to you in the cockpit that make or break the job. Don't get so bogged down in greed that you end up hating the 'other side' for the rest of your career. Git 'er done, shake hands, and work on getting the BEST contract for everyone. If you have to ask how bad it can get, just wait for the responses from the former AWA or US pilots.

HAL

May the good lord bless you and prosper you for trying to knock some sense in these people, and promoting harmony. But no one will ever listen, b/c their greedy, selfish ways wont allow it.

 

[General Lee]

Wait, wait, wait, so let me get this straight. If it were totally up to the NWA guys, they would not have done this to us? They wouldn't have? Why didn't they take our first offer? If they just wanted to be our brothers, why didn't they say "ah heck, we are getting a great deal, and you fine Southern folk seem cool enough, and we are keeping our pensions, getting a large raise, getting the chance to fly more widebodies, getting the chance to fly closer to where we live, getting the chance to make some extra change in a bonus, and the chance to get rid of Steenland. Let's do it and be fair with the larger airline that doesn't have our old airplanes that are about to go to the boneyard....." Why didn't they say that? Answer: An Ex Republic guy with an agenda wanted to MAKE SURE he got what he deserved and something that made up for what the redbook guys did to him and his group. Sad but true. But regardless, I can't wait to eat barbeque with these Northern Hosers someday. I can teach them about NASCAR, and they can try to explain ice fishing to me.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Don't have a dog in this fight, but you brought up a very important point, Occam.

If the DAL pilot true intent was/is to be 'fair' then the deal that they negotiated will have a 'requirement' that; 'upon achieving a SLI (on List), the NWA pilot will receive immediate parity with the DAL pilots.'

If it does Not contain such language, then the clear intent was for the DAL pilots to secure a comfrontable seat on the Bus, with the NWA pilot left 'under the bus' What else would it look like??

REALITY CHECK; now the NWA pilots have to negotiate with a 'gun to their head' as the DAL pilots got what they want; NWA pilots got NOTHING.....'DAL pilots to the NWA pilots'----Give in to what 'we' want, or the bus runs over you, then backs over you.

Just the way it looks from an Outside observer. Am I close??

For what its worth.

DA

P.S. Again, now waiting for 'CAL/UAL' that should also be interesting??

Here's my take as a Double-breasted A-hole!!

Nobody I have met in a cockpit wants this thing. Nobody is busting out champagne except for management. We still have to vote on this deal.

That being said, the merger could have happened WITHOUT our support. We would wake up one morning and find an announcement. In order for our blessing, the management sweetened our deal a little bit. We negotiated our OWN deal PRIOR to the merger. Not the other way around. It is the intent of this (DAL) MEC to get the groups together and negotiate as 12000+ pilots for a better deal for all and YES, NWA would come and match up to our deal. This was the carrot to NWA pilots by management to get them back to the table.

We re-opened section 6 to get a few things back from our post-BK POS contract. This isn't the TA that will preside when we get everybody together, just in the interim until a new deal gets written.

Nobody has released to us what the NWA MEC wanted nor has anyone seen the DAL MEC's demands. Obviously they are doing a good job representing each group's interest, but as a voter now, I want to see exactly what each group "WANTED" and let me be the judge on who was the most irrational and demanding. I'm not taking the rhetoric coming from both sides as gospel.

Again, this merger will not solve high oil prices, and the only people getting rich are the management and stockholders. Keep in mind, THIS DEAL WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.....so we need to get together and work on the SLI which is fair and then a contract which makes up for all that BOTH groups have given up.

PS.
Can't see how all the -9's and 47's getting parked will NOT result in furloughs......my reps got some 'splaining to do.

 

[Fly4hire]

Again, this merger will not solve high oil prices, and the only people getting rich are the management and stockholders. Keep in mind, THIS DEAL WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.....so we need to get together and work on the SLI which is fair and then a contract which makes up for all that BOTH groups have given up.

PS.
Can't see how all the -9's and 47's getting parked will NOT result in furloughs......my reps got some 'splaining to do.

Think about in these terms -

You see a car with a bunch of thugs pull up to your house and head for the front door with ill intent.

You can grab your gun, call your neighbor and he grabs his, and very possibly between the two of you send them packing to lick their wounds or worse, and make the neighborhood a safer place.

Instead as they head for the front door, you say "my neighbor has more stuff in his house and I know the floor plan, and will you give me a cut if I show you the way?"

 

[PuffDriver]

Hmmmm.

Does your contract contain a requirement to provide parity for NWA pilots when a SLI is reached?

Your answer is there, my brother.

You are getting what you asked for, arbitration. You will eventually get it, so why the sour grapes. Are you honestly saying that you don't think the company will give you the same as us when we get an SLI?

Of course, this is provided that we even ratify LOA 19, of which I have not even seen the details yet. I will say that I do not like the DC of 10% right off the bat..

Again, isn't this what you wanted. Now you get your attrition, perhaps a 787 or 2 on the property prior to us initiating ALPA merger policy. The Delta pilots secured some much needed raises and equity.

 

[Golden Falcon]

h goody...wonder if this cat-fight is going to get as good as the USAirways one...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Not mine but I'm gonna paraphrase here...

Every night before I go to bed...I recite this prayer...

Dear God, please take care and keep watch over my wife, kids and family. Please try to take care of those who are in harms way. Lord, hopefully with your guidance, mankind can find a way to peace.

And God, please don't ever, never, ever let Southwest Airlines enter into a merger...with anybody...at any time. Just let SWA pick up the assets...and keep the fuel hedges going....Amen

 

[~~~^~~~]

Amen!

 

[PuffDriver]

What are the chances of new Delta aircraft going to NWA instead of Delta because NWA pays less? This might end up like the regional whipsaw on a much bigger scale. DALPA took for itself short term without considering the consequences.

About 0.

Just my take though.

 

[ThisistheDream]

Looks like this is going to arbitration!!! there is no way both groups will be happy, so it will be the arbitrator that will make the final decision

 

[tomgoodman]

Negotiations will continue

I was going to be seriously impressed if these two groups could forge a list and a joint contract before the merger was announced ....

The announcement does not close the door to a pre-merger agreement, and may actually facilitate one, since more cards are now on the table. There is more than enough time to forge one list and one contract before the merger becomes a fact. The danger is that we tend to become prisoners of our past statements, and treat our hardliners better than we treat our compromisers.

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold...The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."