Pinnacle, the next Mesa

[callowayhd]

similar work rules

less pay

no contract

no 900 rate

fos who cannot speak on the radio

who is currently applying there?

 

[lowlycfi]

here we go.....

 

[Windsor]

Wow, you paid $10 to start this thread? Really constructive.......

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I bet with 1500 hrs. you're the star of the show.

 

[callowayhd]

I am trying to get in the industry and wondering if people are applying at pinnacle or will it be bashed upon in the next months/years like mesa is now

i have my appplication ini at mesa lakes and pinnacle, i would do anything to fly the crj!

 

[WSurf]

similar work rules

less pay

no contract

no 900 rate

fos who cannot speak on the radio

who is currently applying there?

Jeez, another one getting into the industry! All we need is more TOOLs. Lovely, Just Lovely!

 

[WIPilot]

i would do anything to fly the crj!

Dont need a doctor to diagnose this case of SJS.

 

[knewhigher]

i have my appplication ini at mesa lakes and pinnacle, i would do anything to fly the crj!

um... flame bait?

 

[Beantown]

This is total flame bait but he also correct. Pinnacle and Mesa have been at the bottom for a long time.

 

[Papps]

Yup.... pinnacle sucks.

 

[79%N1]

Pinnacle is not going anywhere, and neither is Mesa, although they may shrink a bit - which is probably good in the long run, since they are understaffed.

Pinnacle has two code shares, run a cheap operation cost-wise, and has a contract with Delta for years. Why, how, would NWA replace all the flying they do for that cost?

Mesa still has Usair, United, Delta codeshares. They may be downsized, may even lose all mainline 50 seaters and only fly 700/900's for Usair, Delta and United, and keep their Go deal going.

 

[30West]

i would do anything to fly the crj!

You just gave every regional airline CEO in the US a stiffy.

 

[Freight Dog]

I applied at Pinnacle because I thought they were hiring street captains.

Unfortunately, they're saying it's for FO position with a promise of a quick upgrade.. heh, been around this game long enough to know better. Besides, my unemployment pays more than 1st year Pinnacle FO.
Sad, but true..

 

[gromgutten]

I agree, coming from Aloha, Pinnacle might be a too big of a pill to swallow. That being said, since you probably have very few options, given the state of things, I would still consider it.

 

[redflyer65]

No 'pure' street Captains. They are holding to 100hrs in the right seat before being able to bid for CA slot. Not sure if that helps, but that's what they are sticking too.

 

[PCL_128]

similar work rules

Pinnacle's work rules are far superior to Mesa's. Not even close.

less pay

Pinnacle pilots are paid better than Mesa pilots.

no contract

Both Mesa and Pinnacle have a contract. Pinnacle is on their third contract since joining ALPA.

no 900 rate

The arbitrator will soon issue a ruling on the -900s rates, and there will be retro pay back to December when the -900s started flying.

fos who cannot speak on the radio

That's just all regionals, nowadays. Listening to Acey copilots talk on the radio in ATL can be painful sometimes.

Pinnacle sucks. No doubt about it. Don't go there unless you live in base, and even then it's questionable. But Pinnacle is no Mesa. That much is certain.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I applied at Pinnacle because I thought they were hiring street captains.

Unfortunately, they're saying it's for FO position with a promise of a quick upgrade.. heh, been around this game long enough to know better. Besides, my unemployment pays more than 1st year Pinnacle FO.
Sad, but true..

They can't promise "street captain" because you are now required to sit 100 hours in the right seat. A true street captain would go through upgrade immediately following the FO checkride. This used to be the case, but alot of people were busting their type ride or failing OE.

The last vacancy didn't show enough CAs bidding to fill all of the open slots. Usually Pinnacle doesn't have enough people with the time to upgrade. You can upgrade after 100 hours, but you will never get off of reserve. I know several people that have recently done it. I think the latest vacancy had a quasi-"street captain" (100 hours in right seat) awarded the -900 in ATL.

If you are happier collecting unemployment, go for it. I am glad to see my tax money put to good use. First year captain pay is $55.07.

 

[Freight Dog]

So is the realistic timeline for street captain roughly 7 months before you see captain pay?

 

[Windsor]

Yes......

 

[Smarta$$]

Yes.....

 

[machaf]

So is the realistic timeline for street captain roughly 7 months before you see captain pay?

Don't even consider going to Pinchanickle. I don't want to have to say "I told you so", like I told the last guy who didn't listen.

Plus 7 months from now, Pinnacle will be shut down. STFD!

 

[SEVEN]

Don't even consider going to Pinchanickle. I don't want to have to say "I told you so", like I told the last guy who didn't listen.

Plus 7 months from now, Pinnacle will be shut down. STFD!

I agree 9E is a subpar regional airline at best. But I don't think they will be shut down in the near future. They will probably shrink drastically in the future but that's only if there is a NW/Delta merger and Mesaba and Compass aquire all the options for the 900 and the 170. Then and only then will they begin to park a large majority of Pinnacle's 200's.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

fos who cannot speak on the radio

...so you were perfect the second you started talking on the radio at an airport you havent been to in an airplane that goes 3X faster than your mind can wrap around.

Right-o

You sir have won the internet...

 

[XJohXJ]

If you are happier collecting unemployment, go for it. I am glad to see my tax money put to good use.

Unemployment insurance is not funded by individual citizens through income tax. It is paid for by the employers, via a payroll tax.

 

[Top Gum]

YES, at least 7 months to CA pay and no insurance for about 6 months.

Be very cautious of any promises at any airline.

DTW is the junior base and you will be on reserve forever.

Right now it takes about 3 ½ years seniority for a solid line in MEM.

There is no doubt about it being a toxic work environment but it’s not the worst place either.

On the other hand, you will also find some really good pilots trying to do the right thing and make the best out of the only job they have.

 

[CrownandCoke]

Don't even consider going to Pinchanickle. I don't want to have to say "I told you so", like I told the last guy who didn't listen.

Plus 7 months from now, Pinnacle will be shut down. STFD!

coming to Pinnacle was the biggest mistake of my life.

 

[McNugent]

banging the chick in your avatar could be the biggest mistake of your life too. Got penicillin?

 

[DoinTime]

They will probably shrink drastically in the future but that's only if there is a NW/Delta merger and Mesaba and Compass aquire all the options for the 900 and the 170. Then and only then will they begin to park a large majority of Pinnacle's 200's.

Not defending PCL here because it truly is a miserable place to work but the service agreements in place with both DAL and NWA have guarantees for 140 aircraft. They don't have to fly the airplanes but they cant take them away and they have to pay us our costs plus to have them sit on the ramp and collect dust. The only way that the -200's can leave PCL's fleet is if they get replaced with larger aircraft.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

The junior base right now for CA's is ATL -900. The initial award that just came out has unfilled positions and will probably continue as the base grows.

 

[check6]

Jeez, another one getting into the industry! All we need is more TOOLs. Lovely, Just Lovely!

Surf! Nice can!