Who's next?

[Propsync]

In the last few months:

MAXJET
ATA (lower 48)
Skyway
Aloha
Champion

Is there really that much overcapacity to the point where there is no pricing control due to competition? I understand fuel has a bit to do with it. Will there not be anymore mergers due to the underwhelming success of AW/US? What carriers out there can honestly fend for themselves?

It looks like the sky is falling. Is it?

 

[General Lee]

In the last few months:

EOS
ATA (lower 48)
Skyway
Aloha
Champion

Is there really that much overcapacity to the point where there is no pricing control due to competition? I understand fuel has a bit to do with it. Will there not be anymore mergers due to the underwhelming success of AW/US? What carriers out there can honestly fend for themselves?

It looks like the sky is falling. Is it?

EOS is still around. MAXjet just left. There is a difference. Research before you type.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IronCityBlue]

Looks like he edited his major error. Anyway that's a good question, because managers like to use the word "overcapacity" like its an automatic get out of jail card for bad management, but is there really any overcapacity? Maybe in September and January, but the summer and holidays are jam packed to the point that its bad for business. Last summer was so full any airline could have raised every fare 50 bucks and would have been just as full because every airline was packed to the gills.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Most of those are small and do not affect the route structure of a major network carrier.

 

[Propsync]

Last summer was so full any airline could have raised every fare 50 bucks and would have been just as full because every airline was packed to the gills.

That's kinda what I was thinking. So is summer travel a failure of revenue control? Will all of the airlines make overdrastic capacity cuts even though summer load factors have been high the last couple of years? I don't get how you can charge less when you know the planes will be full. Obviously, there's a breaking point for some, but it sure doesn't seem like it slows any passengers down. Just charge it.

So back to my question, is this going to come back around and bite someone a bit bigger than the carriers first mentioned. I do apologize about the MAXJET/EOS mistake, I was thinking of an earlier EOS post about picking up MAXJET pilots (or something like that) and got them switched. At least I didn't confuse Mesa with Aloha.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Depends. DAL just rolled over on all of the fare increases they rolled out last week.
Makes me wonder what they are thinking. Maybe they are trying to squeeze the other players.

All of the flights I have flown, except one, have been full for the last few month. It just makes me wonder how the heck we cannot be making money.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Depends. DAL just rolled over on all of the fare increases they rolled out last week.
Makes me wonder what they are thinking. Maybe they are trying to squeeze the other players.

All of the flights I have flown, except one, have been full for the last few month. It just makes me wonder how the heck we cannot be making money.

It doesn't matter if your full when your yields don't cover your costs. You probably are on a jet full of $49 fares.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not really. Everyone that I was talking to in the gatehouse (when I get the chance) was paying North of 375 for their fares. They did not seem to mind either.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Maybe your costs are out of whack then. Delta can't control the price of oil...but they know one thing they can cut....

 

[DrewBlows]

EOS is still around. MAXjet just left. There is a difference. Research before you type.

Bye Bye--General Lee

The General must have left his FI account logged in on a public computer. There is no way he believes this.

 

[Cardinal]

Big Sky

 

[IXLR8]

All of the flights I have flown, except one, have been full for the last few month. It just makes me wonder how the heck we cannot be making money.

Because YOU make too much money!!!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Sure. I make so much.
Tell that to my wife, she would probably hit you and then kick you. She hates this career. I cannot say I blame her.

 

[BSkin]

In the last few months:

MAXJET
ATA (lower 48)
Skyway
Aloha
Champion

I understand fuel has a bit to do with it.

It looks like the sky is falling. Is it?

I think it has alot to do with it! The sky may be falling!

 

[Moustache]

I think it has alot to do with it! The sky may be falling!

Maybe we should tap into some N. American oil----might bring the price down??????

 

[bleagle]

Not really. Everyone that I was talking to in the gatehouse (when I get the chance) was paying North of 375 for their fares. They did not seem to mind either.

That still is NOT ENOUGH yield.....

 

[CJA]

Sure. I make so much.
Tell that to my wife, she would probably hit you and then kick you. She hates this career. I cannot say I blame her.

me too. in fact my wife said if I didn't quit making so much money she was going to have to quit her job, she just can't handle the guilt.

 

[Whine Lover]

"Who's next?"

The Bell Tolls For Thee....


YKMKR

 

[bleagle]

http://www.delta.com/booking/retrie...tPgwj8esgYmK0&UIStatus=P&ts=1207084036130#top

ATL to ORD DAL $79.00


http://www.greyhound.com/home/TicketCenter/Step4.asp

ATL TO ORD GREYHOUND $116.00

Both travel dates on 17Apr08.....

 

[Tanker Clown]

http://www.delta.com/booking/retrie...tPgwj8esgYmK0&UIStatus=P&ts=1207084036130#top

ATL to ORD DAL $79.00


http://www.greyhound.com/home/TicketCenter/Step4.asp

ATL TO ORD GREYHOUND $116.00

Both travel dates on 17Apr08.....

Delta's really brought down aviation. This is sad. They are truely the Wal-Mart of the sky. $79...that's not much better than a Skybus fare.

 

[slapstick]

Regarding the above poster, could someone tell me how to block individual posters?

 

[EMBpilot]

Delta's really brought down aviation. This is sad. They are truely the Wal-Mart of the sky. $79...that's not much better than a Skybus fare.

Sorry if Delta turned you down.. Personality is the most important factor in getting hired here.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Sorry if Delta turned you down.. Personality is the most important factor in getting hired here.

I'm not sure I'll even apply at Delta. They used to be my back up plan. But now, I really would feel bad about working somewhere that lowered the bar like this.

So, after all the concessions....for what? So Anderson can undercut AirTran from Atlanta to Chicago? $79....I guess you can do that after you pillage the pilot's contract.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

We sell the same flight segments they do for the same price. If their price goes up or down so does ours. That is why we are only sticking 88 to ord and rj's to MDW.
We used to fly L-15's there, but Yield does not allow that. Kind of like flying the 777 to Orlando. What for?

 

[Tanker Clown]

I guess you're wages will have to come down to Air Trans to compete. Man...this is a race to the bottom.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Hey bud, I'm just posting my opinions on a message board in a free country. So, ignore me if you don't like it. Or don't log in.

 

[PCL_128]

No, you're just posting flamebait. The mods should have long since banned you.

 

[regionaltard]

Regarding the above poster, could someone tell me how to block individual posters?

It's on the User CP panel button under the FI logo at the top of the page.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Maybe we should tap into some N. American oil----might bring the price down??????

Yes we needed to start 10 years ago. If we don't start in the next 5 years then open skies is going to wreak havoc on all of us.

 

[Green]

Yes we needed to start 10 years ago. If we don't start in the next 5 years then open skies is going to wreak havoc on all of us.

that doesn't make any sense. Every airline pays the same price for fuel. Just because the oil is pumped in N America doesn't mean they are going to sell it at a discount to US Airlines. Fuel is a fixed cost and the only way around high fuel costs is to generate extra revenue or find creative ways to cut costs. Hence the talk of mergers.