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spudskier

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Ok, admittedly things have gotten somewhat better now. We have some people in the GO that are actually trying to make ASA better. that being said.. why do schedules still SUCK!?

More 32-hour overnights, less than 120 lines had weekends off (out of 340ish?) only 30-40 more had partial weekends off. I've held a line for about a year, in what most would consider a decent position on the list and still can't even get partial weekends... is there any light at the end of the tunnel!? or am I stuck working fri-mon for the rest of my time at ASA?
 
well if you can't get a saturday or sunday off I'd say you're not in a decent position on the seniority list, despite how many people you have behind you.
 
Lines suck, think there is a reason behind it? The Jerks at the go love the fact you complain about this crap. Means they are doing there job to get closer to the pbs that they want.
 
Umm ........ Houston, We Have A Problem!!!
 
I'm #16 out of ~47 on my list. I'm working Sunday through Wednesday, and fairly happy with April. It's not that bad where I'm at, but the difference between not that bad and awful is only two or three numbers. My take is that the top of the lines seem to be better this go-around, but the bottom 2/3rds of the list are even worse than in times past.

Why do we need 14 reserve FOs on the ATR? Is 30% of the list being reserve the normal ratio? Seems high to me.
 
actually - talk to any of the many pilots who are working with the planners every month on line construction. block hours keep dropping, the delta schedule changes day by day. dont get mad at the planners or think there is a bigger conspiracy, lines stink cause they have nothing to work with.
 
In all seriousness, I would love to know the process behind building lines. not to use as ammo or for any other reason than just being educated on the process. for instance, why on earth are there 32-hour overnights? Why not deadhead us out and do a nap for the early morning instead of having us sit there
 
In all seriousness, I would love to know the process behind building lines. not to use as ammo or for any other reason than just being educated on the process. for instance, why on earth are there 32-hour overnights? Why not deadhead us out and do a nap for the early morning instead of having us sit there

Deadheads cost money, and more importantly bump a paying passenger from the flight. When load factors were 60% you could afford to take the hit, now with full flights it's a different story.

It's cheaper to pay us the 3.75 to sit in the hotel, unfortunately.
 
sh says repeatedly that 4 day is the most efficeint trip. Not for the pilots, so how hard would it be to make the plane a 4 day rotation and the pilot a 3 day rotation. i think the plan is make the schedules suck and pbs will come quicker. remember when kw built lines their was 200 lines with day trips a 3 days. but i believe he did too good of a job so he was removed.
 
sh says repeatedly that 4 day is the most efficeint trip. Not for the pilots, so how hard would it be to make the plane a 4 day rotation and the pilot a 3 day rotation. i think the plan is make the schedules suck and pbs will come quicker. remember when kw built lines their was 200 lines with day trips a 3 days. but i believe he did too good of a job so he was removed.

Yea back when ASA used to fly to the same cities 7 days a week all month long they could pack the lines full of 3 days. Now that the Delta planners have 8 different DCI carries going into nearly every city we fly to doing it at different times a day there is no purity left. This is why there are 32 hour overnights since we may only go to a city 5 days a week and all at different times.

We ever go back to just flying to a city 7 days a week the same time everyday all month long...then you will see 3 days return. It would also help if they would thin out the DCI portfolio......
 
Yea back when ASA used to fly to the same cities 7 days a week all month long they could pack the lines full of 3 days. Now that the Delta planners have 8 different DCI carries going into nearly every city we fly to doing it at different times a day there is no purity left. This is why there are 32 hour overnights since we may only go to a city 5 days a week and all at different times.

We ever go back to just flying to a city 7 days a week the same time everyday all month long...then you will see 3 days return. It would also help if they would thin out the DCI portfolio......

Finally someone who gets it!!
 
Finally someone who gets it!!


A Delta pilot friend of mine says they have the same problem due to the frequency changes to different markets throughout the week. It's more efficient and profitable for the Company to adjust frequency to demand. However, it brings havoc to building quality lines. Pairings can not repeat every day as the frequency is not the same.
 
actually - talk to any of the many pilots who are working with the planners every month on line construction. block hours keep dropping, the delta schedule changes day by day. dont get mad at the planners or think there is a bigger conspiracy, lines stink cause they have nothing to work with.

Correct.
 
remember when kw built lines their was 200 lines with day trips a 3 days. but i believe he did too good of a job so he was removed.


KW didn't do squat. He wasn't removed. He quit to go work for a hotel chain.

The planners that were there at the time, and some are still there, are the ones that built these type lines. DAL hired a guy from CAL to do market planning to maximize revenue. This began at the end of 2006. That's when the lines took a turn for the worst. If you notice there are more flights that operate only on certain days. With this the planners cannot build the same 3 day that will operate every day OR the same days every week. Also, since DAL changes the cities we go to every other month this also is a problem.
 
Whats the big deal about working weekends? It makes no difference to me. Sometimes I don't even know what day of the week it is.
 
Whats the big deal about working weekends? It makes no difference to me. Sometimes I don't even know what day of the week it is.


Give it time, just give it time.

Or, don't. Those junior to you will support your stance on this completely.
 
Whats the big deal about working weekends? It makes no difference to me. Sometimes I don't even know what day of the week it is.

+1

It's easy enough for me to just shift my life/family around to enjoy each other on the days I don't work.

All of the things we enjoy are much less crowded on weekdays than they are on the weekends.
 
+1

It's easy enough for me to just shift my life/family around to enjoy each other on the days I don't work.

All of the things we enjoy are much less crowded on weekdays than they are on the weekends.

Damn, too bad you're not senior to me :rolleyes:
 

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