Just Say No To Evergreen ! ! !

[Boris Badenov]

Thanks, CC.

Yeah, upon re-reading, maybe what I should have said was "which one is least likely to leave you sitting on the other side of the world for days on end"? I'll check out World.

 

[FreightGod]

He is just an unhappy guy that likes coming on here and putting down all of us who work for these scumbag airlines...I like it here and I guess he dosen't so he moved on..He just can't let it go

Negative.
I worked with Draginass a couple of places. (T+A)
I have also spent 3 years with EZ way back when on the -8 and the -47.

Draginass has paid his dues, worked hard and tried to up the bar.

He is the kind of guy you want next to you when the weather is sh!t and airplane is broken.

 

[Zoneload]

You are probally right but you just get tired of hearing the same stuff from him over and over. I have worked here and a few other places and then came back to EIA because it is not that bad...Some days are bad but you have that every place..
When did you work at EIA? I also see from old posts you were at Tower. I spent a year or two there also.. Got to love the Haj!!

 

[FreightGod]

When did you work at EIA? I also see from old posts you were at Tower. I spent a year or two there also.. Got to love the Haj!!

I was at EIA (EZ) from 2-88 to 2-91. (DC-8/B-747)

Tower Air from 2-94 to 7-2000.

Did plenty HAJ with Tower and even Evergreen.

Life was good back then....I guess

 

[Publishers]

Therea are a certain group of pilots that like the EZ kind of work, big iron, strange places, unique people. It is not for everyone nor need it be. They do none of their own flying so it will never be secure and consistent and in that environment, there will be layoffs and gear ups plus the pay will be suspect. For those of you with any kind of memory at all, Atlas was started because MC's Aeronautics Leasing was stuck with some 747's/ Polar and Gemini also started the same way. I was at EZ and bought some of the first -100's for Del. Southern Air was another of these ACMI long haul semi military CRAF airlines.
The short version is if you want United Airlines type flying and pay, go there. There will always be the people with the sense of adventure and desire to fly big planes strange places.

 

[spitfire1500]

I agree this kind of work isn't for everyone but once your hooked (like me) its the best. Pay at EZ... yes it stinks.....most of the work rules though I have found comparable or better than other similar carriers. 16 day lines if extended (I have been extended 1 time in a year) they have to have you at your home airport on the 18th day. When you are commercialed to pick up flights internationally you get business or better seating. What other type of flying can put you in Germany, Turkey and Kuwait all in the same day.....sure beats Cleveland to Newark! Last but not least.....no blazers or those stupid hats!!
If I ever leave EZ it will only be for more of the same (Atlas, Fed Ex, UPS....etc).

 

[Zoneload]

I was at EIA (EZ) from 2-88 to 2-91. (DC-8/B-747)

Tower Air from 2-94 to 7-2000.

Did plenty HAJ with Tower and even Evergreen.

Life was good back then....I guess

I was at EIA from 89 to 95

Tower from 95 to 98 then back to EIA..

Did the short and long Saudia Haj at EIA and Tower..

 

[Draginass]

It seems a few people have mis-interpreted my comments.

The primary problem with a lot of the freight carriers is not the crews. The vast majority do yeoman's work for crappy pay and working conditions and get the goods to destination safely despite having to compensate for the operational incompetence in their companies.

It's management and leadership that the finger of blame should get pointed at. I have seen a fantastic amount of money squandered by a feckless management unable clean its house of incompetent HQ people (and a few aircrew), bad maintenance practices, and the unwillingness to spend 10 cents to save 10 dollars. Look at the training costs for an operation that runs a 50% turnover in pilots alone.

I loved flying freight and the 747, but I did not like the crew pushing, the ultra long duty days that became standard, the shoddy maintenance, the non-support from my chief pilot and DO, and quite frankly the fact that nobody cared if you did a good job or not.

Given a choice between the two, I'd personally rather fly freight rather than pax, but not under the deplorable conditions and lack of leadership that have become the norm at too many of the 747 companies.

 

[propsarebest]

Like our DO says... Trip over a dollar to save a nickel.

Thats just the way ALL the acmi/adhoc carriers work, regardless if thay are cargo or pax.

 

[Publishers]

In that world, even Evergreen or the Everzone is one for the books and unlike anyplace I have seen before or after. In the rough world of the airline business, the companies like Connie, Del's, David Clark, Bob Flemming and others were in the roughest section and only their personalities and persistence made a business of it at all.

 

[Rick1128]

In that world, even Evergreen or the Everzone is one for the books and unlike anyplace I have seen before or after. In the rough world of the airline business, the companies like Connie, Del's, David Clark, Bob Flemming and others were in the roughest section and only their personalities and persistence made a business of it at all.

If you think the airline side of Evergreen is wild, you ought to try the helicopter side.

 

[B737Dvr]

Bull F-ing shyte!

Like our DO says... Trip over a dollar to save a nickel.

Thats just the way ALL the acmi/adhoc carriers work, regardless if thay are cargo or pax.

That is how I feel about how some of the show is run at EZ. If they took half of the money they lose through:
1. Airlining crews all over creation(when there are crews already in position at current location).
2. Not losing crews in the first place.
3. Quit the infighting between depts so that you can get an 'attaboy' from dell, (the company doesnt win if your coming under budget means that you cost another department $$)
4. Communicate better and save on OT and having crews out 18+days, and doing stupid things like makes crews drive all over creation and landing at places where it is unecessary because since you are very delayed the curfew at a military airport doesnt apply anymore.....listen to your crews to save hours and vast sums of $$$......why how stupid!
5. Furlough to save a months worth of salary, but then rehire 2 months later only to get back 20% and then have to hire anew and spend vast more sums to bring them online....thats real smart!
etc etc etc....

if they took half the money they would save from the above and gave it to the crews through higher perdiem, more pay, better conditions etc etc etc.....they would still save and it could go a way to show some appreciation for those out on the front lines. Of course, listening to said crews might help too!

It doesnt have to be this way, but DS is the kind of individual that prides himself on doing this to prove a point.