767 on DHL's CVG ramp

[oldawg]

I was recently told that there is an all white cargo door 767 parked on the DHL ramp in CVG. Does anyone have any information on it? Do you know what the N number is?

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

I could be wrong, but I think that might be the China Air(?) bird that turned out to be a turd and is up for sale.

FAJ

 

[TWA]

The last rumor I heard was that it was an ABX plane. It might be the China POS, but I thought I heard it was one of the new acquisitions from United or American (I think).

Last night I heard another rumor that things might be movin back to CVG. Anyone hear anything about this?

 

[hvydriver]

The last rumor I heard was that it was an ABX plane. It might be the China POS, but I thought I heard it was one of the new acquisitions from United or American (I think).

Last night I heard another rumor that things might be movin back to CVG. Anyone hear anything about this?

That is one of the rumors du jour TWA. I don't think it will happen. Considering how great the last hub integration went, I don't think there would be any boxes left to carry if it went like the last one did.

 

[mxer]

Did the China plane have a door?

 

[erichartmann]

Did the China plane have a door?

I don't think they cut a door in the China plane. Just flew it into CVG and hung a "for sale" sign in the window.

It could be the "latest" arrival, or it could be an aircraft about to go to "C" check. There is no room to park "extra" aircraft at ILN.

 

[Bitter]

What I heard

This is what I heard FWIW, may be true, may be not....

China bird to be left as a pax a/c, and operated by ATI on mil charters.

White bird is converted, would take Abx over the 10%, so is to be dry leased to some other entitiy.

 

[nitefr8dog]

Was told at bottoms up last week China a/c is already gone. might end up with 2-3 Abx 767 at CVG until crews trained to use in charter work!

 

[Flyer8]

I hear ATI will operate 2 767 passenger airplanes that have already been bought by CHI ...Will operate on military work while it is still profitable,but would have a door cut in them down the road...Who knows what CHI or CAM or any of the other players might do? Ask Capital where there 757 went..I think CAM will lease the airplanes they have on hand to the highest bidder without regard to whether it is supposed to go to ATI,ABX,Capitol,etc...You stumble anywhere during the process or someone with a bigger wallet comes along and the airplane you were supposed to be getting will be off and running with another company. From what I have seen,being under someone's umbrella with a bunch of other people usually results in those on the outer fringes getting a wet ass.....

 

[nitefr8dog]

Hete said on the CC call yesterday they are being leased from Air Canada.

 

[Flyer8]

As I said,who knows what will happen next? The two I was referring to were supposedly bought from one of the failed start up airlines...

 

[FastHap]

It's 714 AX, the ex American Airlines bird.

 

[shooter]

I hear ATI will operate 2 767 passenger airplanes that have already been bought by CHI ...Will operate on military work while it is still profitable,but would have a door cut in them down the road...Who knows what CHI or CAM or any of the other players might do? Ask Capital where there 757 went..I think CAM will lease the airplanes they have on hand to the highest bidder without regard to whether it is supposed to go to ATI,ABX,Capitol,etc...You stumble anywhere during the process or someone with a bigger wallet comes along and the airplane you were supposed to be getting will be off and running with another company. From what I have seen,being under someone's umbrella with a bunch of other people usually results in those on the outer fringes getting a wet ass.....

You are right. ABX, ATI and Capital need to watch how the management team work with and/or against them. But as it stands two of the CHI 767's are already going to Air Canada on a dry lease. Capital is still on schedule to get their 1st 757 and already have an agreement to operate a 2nd 757 for DHL as well. I think out of MIA with the 1st one. I did hear rumor grumblings that ABX has their hands on more 767's, but where they go is anyones guess. They are hot right now and while they can operate them through ATI and ABX, there are carriers out there that will lease them. I guess it boils down to which customer will shell out for them. ABXH (is that what I can call holdings vs. air?) will not give them away.

 

[flyinboxes]

How do you ABX guys feel about the CHI guys running freight for DHL?

 

[nitefr8dog]

How do you ABX guys feel about the CHI guys running freight for DHL?

It was a CHI acmi contract before the purchase. The real question is if any domestic flying we are doing now goes to CHI. I then think you would see the ABX guys park the airline tomorrow instead of dying a slow death! The hope would be to bankrupt ABXH.

 

[erichartmann]

It was a CHI acmi contract before the purchase. The real question is if any domestic flying we are doing now goes to CHI. I then think you would see the ABX guys park the airline tomorrow instead of dying a slow death! The hope would be to bankrupt ABXH.

If DHL chooses to contract ATI or CCI to haul freight under an ACMI separate from the current ABX ACMI it is not a violation of our scope. It is not our freight. If ABX Holding uses ATI or CCI to haul freight under the ABX ACMI then our scope kicks in (again).

 

[nitefr8dog]

If DHL chooses to contract ATI or CCI to haul freight under an ACMI separate from the current ABX ACMI it is not a violation of our scope. It is not our freight. If ABX Holding uses ATI or CCI to haul freight under the ABX ACMI then our scope kicks in (again).

I think that was my point, the 757 out of MIA is under a ACMI seperate from the current ABX ACMI.

 

[ABXbooger]

If we don't get on the same page, and quick, someone will be flying the yellow crap for nothing. Maybe they can find someone to pay them, like gulfstream did down in Miami.

There may be growth, but at what cost?