Captains that say "I'm laid back"

[ReverseSensing]

I don't care what CAs proclaim themselves, nor do I care if I get a pre-trip briefing, because I don't think you can judge a guy by either of these. I also don't care if a guy is truly "by-the-book" or actually "laid-back." Both types can be enjoyable to fly with.

But don't be a hypocrite. Don't nit-pick my minor honest mistakes or inconsequential procedural flaws if you're making half your shizzle up as you go. It's tough to take you seriously or even like you very much if the standards apply to me on everything and you on nothing.

 

[doh]

I don't care what CAs proclaim themselves, nor do I care if I get a pre-trip briefing, because I don't think you can judge a guy by either of these. I also don't care if a guy is truly "by-the-book" or actually "laid-back." Both types can be enjoyable to fly with.

But don't be a hypocrite. Don't nit-pick my minor honest mistakes or inconsequential procedural flaws if you're making half your shizzle up as you go. It's tough to take you seriously or even like you very much if the standards apply to me on everything and you on nothing.

Amen!:beer:

 

[Varig]

How do you guys deal with bad captains? The ones that yell at you for doing things that are right etc. We have alot of these guys down south.

 

[freeflyer14]

How do you guys deal with bad captains? The ones that yell at you for doing things that are right etc. We have alot of these guys down south.

Duh....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh5oS-NZeQg

 

[MALSR]

Duh....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh5oS-NZeQg

Amazing how many times that video makes a thread here on flight info.

 

[Lazy8]

How do you guys deal with bad captains? The ones that yell at you for doing things that are right etc. We have alot of these guys down south.

Is this worth being walked all over by some d0uche that has no life outside of the flightdeck? Just stand up for yourself and keep it professional.

 

[Varig]

That video is awesome. I have to try that sometimes.....

 

[CA1900]

How do you guys deal with bad captains?

I find this technique works well:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=14093537




http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=14093537

 

[skyaddict]

What I've found, in the huge pool of CA's I've flown with at different companies, is that there is a subset minority of CA's who are basically insecure "nervous nellies" who micro-manage their FO's flying out of fear, and become ultra-territorial (never touch the OBS on my side, that's my switch.) They also have a big laundry list of little pet peeves (which are not in the FOM or AFM) that they advertise, either right away or usually, the first time their FO commits the dreaded faux pas. This in spite of their insistence on being "standard."

Granted, with some wet behind the ears (in experience, not necc. age) FO's this fear can be understandable, especially to a newly upgraded and/or inexperienced Captain, but if they let themselves become a nervous nellie, the FO gets distracted and demoralized, shuts down (CRM effectively ends), and tunnel visions into trying to avoid the nervous nellie peeves of the CA. They thereby create a vicious cycle - every FO they fly with is chopped at the knees and they end up creating a weak-CRM, error-prone hazard, and more ASAPs, Captain's reports and deviations/violations that perpetuate their insecurity.

By contrast, exceptional CA's are those who seem ultra laid back and completely professional at the same time (there is no conflict), never micro-managing things unless it's a true safety of flight issue. The FO then is a full, confident part of the team and the potential for error drops way off.

You can usually tell if a CA is a nervous nellie type as soon as you taxi a few feet.

 

[FlyboyPhil]

I fly by the book.. it's only a foot away in my flight case, I will try to be polite and only pass gas on my side of the cockpit.. we leave ten minutes early and arrive on time, except for the freedom leg. Any questions?

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

If you're all trained to a standard than a cockpit pre brief is not necessary.

Unless the FOM requires the brief, "then" it IS necessary!

 

[Tarzan]

skyaddict,

Good post. I'll have to agree with you in all of those regards. Some CA's have the "god" complex as well. They are probably the nervous types but put the spin of bravado on it to cover up their discomfort.

I've found the best way to deal with all sorts is to be a good follower first. Let the captain dictate how he/she wants their flight deck run and roll with it. After all, this is just a job.

Best of all, all of these sorts of guys are lessons on how YOU don't want to conduct yourself. Keep these lessons close and don't forget where you came from. Trust your flight crew members but verify what they are doing.

 

[jravi8tor]

the only time I want to hear "I'm laid back" is when a girl from the night before is describing the position she I had her to her best friends.

you know what i'm talking about and she saw my O-face!

 

[Flybet3]

I don't care what CAs proclaim themselves, nor do I care if I get a pre-trip briefing, because I don't think you can judge a guy by either of these. I also don't care if a guy is truly "by-the-book" or actually "laid-back." Both types can be enjoyable to fly with.

But don't be a hypocrite. Don't nit-pick my minor honest mistakes or inconsequential procedural flaws if you're making half your shizzle up as you go. It's tough to take you seriously or even like you very much if the standards apply to me on everything and you on nothing.

You my good friend are very wise. That's so true, some guys give their FO's sh**** over the smallest stuff. But when they do stupid (big) stuff, then they always have an excuse prepared.

 

[ApocketA's_145]

Can someone post a sample briefing.

i got this when reading the checklist. Departure briefing= my leg! im laid back, thats it! hahaha.