CRJ "flipped over & caught fire" on takeoff

[BLing]

It will be interesting to see what happened

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7244154.stm

 

[BEfly]

no fatalities.....amazing

 

[Limeyflyer]

Unbelievable, they better play the lotto they are so lucky

 

[Baze]

Glad to hear there were no fatalities.

The FO probably got distracted taking his iPod out of his backpack during the takeoff roll.

 

[outtahere]

Betcha anything it was ice related. For an RJ to just wing dip on takeoff says the wing stalled on takeoff, or windshear. With all of the problems the Challenger has had with crashes due to taking off with ice on the wings, this is the most likely culprit.

 

[TapitLight]

The plane was former N401MJ....sounds familiar to the Mesa guys!

 

[asa rat]

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the exit closest to you and keep in mind it may be upside down when we stop...

 

[Limeyflyer]

Glad to hear there were no fatalities.

The FO probably got distracted taking his iPod out of his backpack during the takeoff roll.

They dont have iPods in Armenia yet, it was a portable 8-track player

 

[Baze]

You mean Kazakhstan got iPods before Armenia? It must have been due to Borat's cultural learnings stateside.

They dont have iPods in Armenia yet, it was a portable 8-track player

 

[flyguy75000]

They dont have iPods in Armenia yet, it was a portable 8-track player

When they do get iPods, it will be GREAT SUCCESS!

 

[lowlycfi]

The plane was former N401MJ....sounds familiar to the Mesa guys!

I knew Mesa would be mentioned somewhere in the first page of this thread.

 

[dbert]

A different view of the aircraft.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/14/europe/EU-GEN-Armenia-Plane-Crash.php

If it was icing, it's ironic that Bombardier issued this message just YESTERDAY.

The purpose of this AOM is to increase flight crew awareness of safe take-off practices when operating CRJ aircraft. Flight crew and support staff should be made aware of the rationales for specific take-off procedures and the potential consequences for not following these procedures.
Recently, on a positioning flight with flight crew only onboard, a CRJ100 experienced an uncommanded roll immediately after lift-off. The Stall Protection System (SPS) stick shaker and stick pusher activated and a combination of the SPS activation and flight crew actions resulted in a successful recovery of the aircraft. The flight was then continued to its destination.​

This event is currently under investigation by the host country local authorities; we are therefore limited in the amount of information that we can release. The Transportation Safety Board of Canada and Bombardier are assisting with the investigation. Weather conditions at the time of take-off included moderate snow, which contributed to the
event. The occurrence aircraft was de-iced and anti-iced prior to take-off and appropriate holdover times appear to have been respected. However, wing anti-ice was “NOT” selected for
take-off, contrary to the direction provided in the Aircraft Flight Manual. In addition, the aircraft rotation rate was considerably beyond the normal 2.5 to 3 degrees per second recommended
rate.
During post-occurrence analysis of the Flight Data Recorder, an additional four SPS events were found on the same aircraft, where the stick shaker activated immediately after lift-off.
The following take-off guidance must be respected for every flight:
Pre-take-off preparations shall include:​

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Perform accurate weight and balance calculations.

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Select the take-off speeds accurately including corrections if appropriate.

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Ensure the wings and airframe are clean (de-ice / anti-ice as required – respect

holdover times).

• ​

Ensure that proper take-off thrust and trims are set.

Take-off procedures (All Engine Operation - AEO):

• ​

Ensure that wing anti-ice is selected prior to initiation of the take-off roll, if required.

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At Vr rotate smoothly towards the target pitch attitude in one continuous motion

(As a guide: Maximum recommended pitch rate of 3o per second on the CRJ200)

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Adjust pitch as required to accelerate to a speed of not less than V2 + 10 KIAS.

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The flight director guidance represents an initial target for rotation only.

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Pilots must transition to speed control immediately after rotation.​

 

[John Pennekamp]

Wonder how the pilots got out? My worst fear is to be upside down in an RJ, on fire, and the FA bolts before retracting her jumpseat.

 

[regionalcap]

Wonder how the pilots got out? My worst fear is to be upside down in an RJ, on fire, and the FA bolts before retracting her jumpseat.

You've got that right. I always thought the same thing.

 

[nethan]

I've never tried it, but apparently there is a quick release on the FA jumpseat headrest. So in theory, you could remove the headrest and then reach over and release the jumpseat and climb out. Of course, in the meantime the plane is burning like a dropped marshmallow.

 

[go!ng for broke]

I knew Mesa would be mentioned somewhere in the first page of this thread.

WRONG twice MESA SUCKS

ok new page MESA SUCKS

 

[regionalcap]

and hope it is not jammed too.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I've never tried it, but apparently there is a quick release on the FA jumpseat headrest. So in theory, you could remove the headrest and then reach over and release the jumpseat and climb out. Of course, in the meantime the plane is burning like a dropped marshmallow.

I think I'd practice that one time.

 

[jws717]

Wonder how the pilots got out? My worst fear is to be upside down in an RJ, on fire, and the FA bolts before retracting her jumpseat.

Look at the things that look like key chain rings on the inside of the door. They are your way out. I don't want to say anymore about them on the internet where anyone can learn about the door. But take a close look and you will see what they are good for.

 

[DrewBlows]

I've never tried it, but apparently there is a quick release on the FA jumpseat headrest. So in theory, you could remove the headrest and then reach over and release the jumpseat and climb out. Of course, in the meantime the plane is burning like a dropped marshmallow.

The door comes off the hinges. Once you move it out of the way you can either climb over (or under if you are upside down) the FA's jump-seat or slide it out of the way. The mechanism is the exact same as the flight deck jump-seat. You should have practiced this during your doors training, if you didn't I suggest trying it when you have some time. It may take a little time to get the door back on the hinges, but if you are at all mechanically inclined it shouldn't be a problem.