Delta and NWA Merger

[fltdspx]

Any thoughts about the regionals once the big D and NW meger together ?

 

[johnsonrod]

Any thoughts about the regionals once the big D and NW meger together ?

Hello Compass. Goodbye Comair.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Who can make the most money the quickest for the company? #1 Compass, #2 Mesaba, #3 depends who you ask.
Any guesses who is growing the quickest the soonest?
any guess who is being sold off soonest???????

 

[DoinTime]

Who can make the most money the quickest for the company? #1 Compass, #2 Mesaba, #3 depends who you ask.
Any guesses who is growing the quickest the soonest?
any guess who is being sold off soonest???????

Whose Air Service Agreements can be amended (or eliminated) unilaterally with the stroke of a pen? Compass, Mesaba, and Comair.

 

[Av8tor_2007]

Can foreign carrier pilots jumpseat within the US?

An acquaintance of mine is a pilot for a foreign airline in south america. He was asking if he can jump seat within the US (from a US city to another US city). I've never dealt with such a situation, and was wondering if anyone else has. Obviously he can't sit in the J/S since foreign carrier pilots are not in CASS. Do most airlines allow them to have a seat in the back? Since he has to deal with the ticket agent first, and the gate agent second, before he ever gets to talk to the Captain, I was wondering what some of y'all's experiences have been. Or is it completely out of the question?

Thanks

 

[GOULET!]

Out of those 3...Compass will come out on top no question. So long Comair.

 

[MALSR]

Out of those 3...Compass will come out on top no question. So long Comair.

"...Because being owned by Delta means everything!"

 

[McNugent]

All contracts will be eliminated except for Mesa. They are taking it all over!

 

[USCtrojan]

Hate to burst anybodys bubble, but Delta and Northwests talks have ceased. There's no more. NW mgmt wanted to be on D's board and D said hell NO! So it's over as far as I know.

Trojan

 

[737 Pylt]

Hate to burst anybodys bubble, but Delta and Northwests talks have ceased. There's no more. NW mgmt wanted to be on D's board and D said hell NO! So it's over as far as I know.

Trojan

I guess you don't know very much then!

4 hours old:


AP
Delta, Northwest Inching Closer to Deal
Wednesday February 6, 8:03 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Person Close to Delta, Northwest Combination Talks Says Airlines Inching Closer to Deal
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines are inching closer to a combination that would create the nation's largest carrier, and if a deal is reached it could be announced next week, a person briefed on the discussions told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Delta's board of directors is expected to meet over the next several days, the person said without elaborating on the topic of the meeting.
The person, who was not authorized to talk as the negotiations entered a sensitive stage and asked not to be named, said one point of contention has been what Northwest Chief Executive Doug Steenland's role would be at the combined company. Delta has a growing presence across the Atlantic and a strong hub in Atlanta, home to the world's busiest airport. Northwest has strong routes across the Pacific and its main hub is in Minneapolis.

It wasn't clear if other issues like the combined company's name, its headquarters location and labor issues had been fully resolved, but management structure with few exceptions had, the person said.
Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. has said repeatedly that if it were to combine with another carrier it would want to be in control, which could mean its CEO, Richard Anderson, remaining in his post and Delta's chairman, Daniel Carp, remaining in his.
Anderson, who was CEO of Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest Airlines Corp. when it began a drive to cut labor costs before he left in the fall of 2004, was replaced by Steenland. But Steenland actually carried out the cuts, leading to a mechanic's strike in 2005 and deep concessions forced on the other unions, which took effect last year while Northwest was in bankruptcy.
The person briefed on the discussions cautioned that things could change since Delta also has been talking to Chicago-based UAL Corp.'s United Airlines about a combination, and there have been reports that other carriers have been talking among themselves about possible deals.
A Delta spokeswoman said she could not comment beyond the airline's past statements that it its reviewing its strategic options, including a possible combination transaction. A spokeswoman for Northwest declined to comment. A United spokeswoman declined to comment.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has pointed out that Northwest has made financial commitments to keep its headquarters and a hub in Minnesota. Northwest would give up $215 million in financial incentives at the airport between now and 2020 if it moves its headquarters out of Minnesota. Meanwhile, U.S. Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn., has made clear his opposition to airline consolidation, saying last month, "We did not deregulate aviation in 1978 to create consolidation of the industry, but rather to expand competition."
One of the biggest factors driving renewed talk of consolidation has been the sharp increase in fuel prices, among the industry's biggest costs. Jet fuel costs have surged along with the price of oil.
The clock is ticking to get any deals accomplished quickly, some observers say. That's because industry observers believe a combination has a better chance of surmounting the considerable political and regulatory hurdles under the current administration than under President Bush's successor.
United CEO Glenn Tilton told analysts at the company's annual investors day in Chicago on Tuesday that he wouldn't predict the timing of any consolidation but "it's important that it happens for the industry to be successful."
United and Houston-based Continental Airlines Inc. are widely viewed as possible partners if consolidation goes ahead, and Tilton is believed to have made overtures about a combination long ago.
Their route networks are seen as complementary, with Chicago-based United strong in the Pacific and internationally but lacking the presence in the Atlantic and Central America of Continental, which has a hub in Newark, N.J., and multiple connections out of its home hub in Houston to Mexico and Latin America. AP Business Writers Joshua Freed in Minneapolis and Dave Carpenter in Chicago contributed to this report.

 

[regionaltard]

Any thoughts about the regionals once the big D and NW meger together ?

Wow, they wouldn't use that as a pretext for another round of whipsawing would they?

 

[USCtrojan]

I guess you don't know very much then!

4 hours old:


AP
Delta, Northwest Inching Closer to Deal
Wednesday February 6, 8:03 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Person Close to Delta, Northwest Combination Talks Says Airlines Inching Closer to Deal
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines are inching closer to a combination that would create the nation's largest carrier, and if a deal is reached it could be announced next week, a person briefed on the discussions told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Delta's board of directors is expected to meet over the next several days, the person said without elaborating on the topic of the meeting.
The person, who was not authorized to talk as the negotiations entered a sensitive stage and asked not to be named, said one point of contention has been what Northwest Chief Executive Doug Steenland's role would be at the combined company. Delta has a growing presence across the Atlantic and a strong hub in Atlanta, home to the world's busiest airport. Northwest has strong routes across the Pacific and its main hub is in Minneapolis.

It wasn't clear if other issues like the combined company's name, its headquarters location and labor issues had been fully resolved, but management structure with few exceptions had, the person said.
Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. has said repeatedly that if it were to combine with another carrier it would want to be in control, which could mean its CEO, Richard Anderson, remaining in his post and Delta's chairman, Daniel Carp, remaining in his.
Anderson, who was CEO of Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest Airlines Corp. when it began a drive to cut labor costs before he left in the fall of 2004, was replaced by Steenland. But Steenland actually carried out the cuts, leading to a mechanic's strike in 2005 and deep concessions forced on the other unions, which took effect last year while Northwest was in bankruptcy.
The person briefed on the discussions cautioned that things could change since Delta also has been talking to Chicago-based UAL Corp.'s United Airlines about a combination, and there have been reports that other carriers have been talking among themselves about possible deals.
A Delta spokeswoman said she could not comment beyond the airline's past statements that it its reviewing its strategic options, including a possible combination transaction. A spokeswoman for Northwest declined to comment. A United spokeswoman declined to comment.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has pointed out that Northwest has made financial commitments to keep its headquarters and a hub in Minnesota. Northwest would give up $215 million in financial incentives at the airport between now and 2020 if it moves its headquarters out of Minnesota. Meanwhile, U.S. Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn., has made clear his opposition to airline consolidation, saying last month, "We did not deregulate aviation in 1978 to create consolidation of the industry, but rather to expand competition."
One of the biggest factors driving renewed talk of consolidation has been the sharp increase in fuel prices, among the industry's biggest costs. Jet fuel costs have surged along with the price of oil.
The clock is ticking to get any deals accomplished quickly, some observers say. That's because industry observers believe a combination has a better chance of surmounting the considerable political and regulatory hurdles under the current administration than under President Bush's successor.
United CEO Glenn Tilton told analysts at the company's annual investors day in Chicago on Tuesday that he wouldn't predict the timing of any consolidation but "it's important that it happens for the industry to be successful."
United and Houston-based Continental Airlines Inc. are widely viewed as possible partners if consolidation goes ahead, and Tilton is believed to have made overtures about a combination long ago.
Their route networks are seen as complementary, with Chicago-based United strong in the Pacific and internationally but lacking the presence in the Atlantic and Central America of Continental, which has a hub in Newark, N.J., and multiple connections out of its home hub in Houston to Mexico and Latin America. AP Business Writers Joshua Freed in Minneapolis and Dave Carpenter in Chicago contributed to this report.

I guess not, but then again, I don't care either, do you?

Trojan

 

[jetflier]

Out of those 3...Compass will come out on top no question. So long Comair.

Compass is being used to replace some NWA mainline A320 and DC9 flying at both INDY and DTW.

All DC9-30 are being replaced by a combo of Pinnacle and Compass aircraft, sad but seems to be true.


We'll see what happens after the merger, my guess is that Compass and Pinnacle will replace even more mainline flying as mainline domestic capacity is reduced.

Good opportunity if you want a job at Compass or Pinnacle, but bad if you wanted a job at DAL or NWA.

 

[Vspeeds]

I seriously doubt it......all about "reciprocal agreement"

Ciao Y'all!

 

[Captzaahlie]

An acquaintance of mine is a pilot for a foreign airline in south america. He was asking if he can jump seat within the US (from a US city to another US city). I've never dealt with such a situation, and was wondering if anyone else has. Obviously he can't sit in the J/S since foreign carrier pilots are not in CASS. Do most airlines allow them to have a seat in the back? Since he has to deal with the ticket agent first, and the gate agent second, before he ever gets to talk to the Captain, I was wondering what some of y'all's experiences have been. Or is it completely out of the question?

Thanks

Our opps specs says that we can give a "jump seat" to any 121 pilot, as well as anyone that reciprocates with us. That was spelled out that way to give DAL guys a break before their management allowed them to give jump seats. It was still the Capt's discretion and we had a few tools that wouldn't let them ride until they reciprocated but these guys wouldn't piss on their own mothers to put a fire out. Now his country may not operate as 121 per say but since he is an airline pilot I would let him have a seat in the back any day).
I remember an Air Italia guy who used to ride with us on a regular basis, he seemed to have no problem getting around via jump seating.

 

[Freight Dog]

Last night we gave a ride to JALways pilot. They are cabin ACM only.

I know Air France told me if I were on a pass and couldn't get a seat, captain would take me in the cockpit jumpseat. Captain authority is alive and well there.

 

[islandhoper]

Last night we gave a ride to JALways pilot. They are cabin ACM only.

I know Air France told me if I were on a pass and couldn't get a seat, captain would take me in the cockpit jumpseat. Captain authority is alive and well there.

And it shows in the kind of service they get from the flight attendants in the cockpit...

I travel a lot and always try to introduce myself to the crew every time. About 8 out of 10 times, if the flight is going away from the US or around other contries, I get invited to the cockpit.

I used to take a lot of COPA guys as jumpseaters in my previous life. One time I went to get the favor back. Going from SJU to SJO. Capt, said no problem, took me down to Panama and then said I needed to get off the AC. Had to buy a ticket on the spot to continue... Won't be trying that again...
From what I hear, most latin american airlines won't even let their own pilots jumpseat.

:uzi:

 

[Explosive]

Compass is being used to replace some NWA mainline A320 and DC9 flying at both INDY and DTW.

All DC9-30 are being replaced by a combo of Pinnacle and Compass aircraft, sad but seems to be true.


We'll see what happens after the merger, my guess is that Compass and Pinnacle will replace even more mainline flying as mainline domestic capacity is reduced.

Good opportunity if you want a job at Compass or Pinnacle, but bad if you wanted a job at DAL or NWA.

Don't you mean Mesaba instead of Pinnacle?

 

[N813CA]

Compass has what 8-10 airplanes and Comair has over 115. That would be interesting to see Comair go bye bye and not just put Compass into Comair

 

[time builder]

Compass has what 8-10 airplanes and Comair has over 115. That would be interesting to see Comair go bye bye and not just put Compass into Comair

We shall see. There are hubs and many regional flights at risk if the two merge. I don't see a bright future for Comair and CVG with this one.

Many of those CRJ's could be headed to China for all we know.

 

[737 Pylt]

I guess not, but then again, I don't care either, do you?

Trojan

I do care.....Any consolidation is going to mean job losses. I don't want to see anyone out of work. And if you're flying in the DCI portfolio, you should care too!

737

 

[Superpilot92]

Compass is being used to replace some NWA mainline A320 and DC9 flying at both INDY and DTW.

All DC9-30 are being replaced by a combo of Pinnacle and Compass aircraft, sad but seems to be true.


We'll see what happens after the merger, my guess is that Compass and Pinnacle will replace even more mainline flying as mainline domestic capacity is reduced.

Good opportunity if you want a job at Compass or Pinnacle, but bad if you wanted a job at DAL or NWA.

I may be missing something here but, arent the feeders for NWA tapped out per scope after 18 more aircraft orders?

 

[Airline Driver]

Ahhhh speculation, what will our crystal ball lead us to believe this week. Some may be right on the money and some may be totally wrong. One thing is for sure, big change is underway and will be for quite sometime. Legany's and regionals, in fact the airline industry as a whole. Give it time folks, we will have all our questions answered soon enough. Whether we like it our not, big changes are coming.

 

[bigsky]

I think as recently as 3-5 years ago or whenever you actually filled out a jumpseat request, it was more likely. Now they pull it it in the computer and you are either there or your not. If you are not in the system I think it would be hard to get past that point without a lot of crew intervention.
Jalways and Air Canada are on most reciprocal JS lists so that is not that unusual. I carried a Jalways pilot at World once and was caught off guard but they are listed. I t would be great to be able to go back to Captain Authority and take whoever we friggin want! If this is a pilot negotiated right why is it regulated by the gate agent? I think the pilot should have to be in the loop!