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Per the WSJ. Good deal for B6 as Lingus has great connections in Ireland throughout Europe using either their planes or Ryanair (which owns 29% of Lingus). Listen to Barger as he shamelessly trolls for more international business partnerships through JFK. I think B6 will get all the business they want through a future hook-up with Star.

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Jetblue and Ireland's Aer Lingus Group PLC expect Friday to announce a strategic partnership aimed at boosting traffic, but which could test the limits of their bare-bones business models.

When the plan goes into effect this spring, European and U.S. passengers will be able to book linked flights between Ireland and more than 40 U.S. destinations in single reservations, connecting through JetBlue's home base at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

The alliance is unusual because budget airlines generally shun cooperation with other carriers. Traditional airlines routinely use such tie-ups to increase the number of destinations they can offer and thereby appeal to more travelers. But interweaving airlines' networks and sharing ticket revenue through what airlines call "code sharing" is complex and can be expensive to manage.
JetBlue and Aer Lingus say they are avoiding those costs and management headaches because their partnership is primarily based on connecting their Web sites.

"This is totally new," said JetBlue Chief Executive Dave Barger. "It's electronically linking two carriers." He said he hopes the partnership will pave the way for JetBlue to partner with other overseas airlines.

Enda Corneille, corporate affairs director at Aer Lingus, said that connecting the two carriers is straightforward because both handle most of their reservations using simple Web-based systems, as opposed to the elaborate computer reservation systems employed by traditional airlines.

Rather than establishing new multi-airline fares, as carriers have long done, the duo's systems will simply add the cost of two flights that could be booked separately.

"The accounting of this is a cinch," Mr. Corneille said. He said both carriers expect to generate additional revenue from the linkup, but "we haven't put a figure on it."

For JetBlue, which took wing in 2000, the partnership offers an opportunity to leverage its domestic network, attract more foreign passengers and offer Ireland to its U.S. customers. Serving 53 cities in the U.S. and Caribbean with 550 daily flights, it is the 8th-largest U.S. carrier by traffic.


customers than the seven it serves itself. Once a lumbering government-owned carrier, Aer Lingus earlier this decade transformed itself into a low-cost, low-fare airline, disentangled itself from a mass of marketing agreements with other carriers, and went public in 2006.


News of the long-awaited JetBlue-Aer Lingus tie-up comes just weeks after Germany's Deutsche Lufthansa AG bought 19% of JetBlue's shares and said it was looking at ways to develop commercial relations. Mr. Barger said Lufthansa was apprised of JetBlue's plans with Aer Lingus; he doesn't see the Irish connection impeding future commercial cooperation between JetBlue and Lufthansa.

The new service will use a booking tool on the Irish airline's Web site, to which JetBlue's Web site will link. With one payment, customers will be able to buy a flight from Dublin to, say, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., via New York, or vice versa.

The carriers hope later to include JetBlue's flights to the Caribbean and Aer Lingus's flights around Europe from Ireland.

After arriving in New York on an Aer Lingus flight and clearing customs, passengers connecting to a domestic JetBlue flight can drop their luggage at Aer Lingus's transfer desk in the arrivals lobby and take an airport train to JetBlue's terminal. Many of JetBlue's passengers arriving from Europe already do this, but in two discrete steps.

The carrier said "dozens" of foreign carriers serving Kennedy had talked about opportunities to tap into the U.S. airline's domestic route network.
Mr. Barger said JetBlue chose to work with Aer Lingus because they share a philosophy of offering low-priced one-way fares and because Aer Lingus is the only European discount carrier now offering scheduled flights to the U.S.
 
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Per the WSJ. Good deal for B6 as Lingus has great connections in Ireland throughout Europe using either their planes or Ryanair (which owns 29% of Lingus). Listen to Barger as he shamelessly trolls for more international business partnerships through JFK.

I think B6 will get all the business they want through a future hook-up with Star.

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Jetblue and Ireland's Aer Lingus Group PLC expect Friday to announce a strategic partnership aimed at boosting traffic, but which could test the limits of their bare-bones business models.

When the plan goes into effect this spring, European and U.S. passengers will be able to book linked flights between Ireland and more than 40 U.S. destinations in single reservations, connecting through JetBlue's home base at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

The alliance is unusual because budget airlines generally shun cooperation with other carriers. Traditional airlines routinely use such tie-ups to increase the number of destinations they can offer and thereby appeal to more travelers. But interweaving airlines' networks and sharing ticket revenue through what airlines call "code sharing" is complex and can be expensive to manage.
JetBlue and Aer Lingus say they are avoiding those costs and management headaches because their partnership is primarily based on connecting their Web sites.

"This is totally new," said JetBlue Chief Executive Dave Barger. "It's electronically linking two carriers." He said he hopes the partnership will pave the way for JetBlue to partner with other overseas airlines.

Enda Corneille, corporate affairs director at Aer Lingus, said that connecting the two carriers is straightforward because both handle most of their reservations using simple Web-based systems, as opposed to the elaborate computer reservation systems employed by traditional airlines.

Rather than establishing new multi-airline fares, as carriers have long done, the duo's systems will simply add the cost of two flights that could be booked separately.

"The accounting of this is a cinch," Mr. Corneille said. He said both carriers expect to generate additional revenue from the linkup, but "we haven't put a figure on it."

For JetBlue, which took wing in 2000, the partnership offers an opportunity to leverage its domestic network, attract more foreign passengers and offer Ireland to its U.S. customers. Serving 53 cities in the U.S. and Caribbean with 550 daily flights, it is the 8th-largest U.S. carrier by traffic.


customers than the seven it serves itself. Once a lumbering government-owned carrier, Aer Lingus earlier this decade transformed itself into a low-cost, low-fare airline, disentangled itself from a mass of marketing agreements with other carriers, and went public in 2006.


News of the long-awaited JetBlue-Aer Lingus tie-up comes just weeks after Germany's Deutsche Lufthansa AG bought 19% of JetBlue's shares and said it was looking at ways to develop commercial relations. Mr. Barger said Lufthansa was apprised of JetBlue's plans with Aer Lingus; he doesn't see the Irish connection impeding future commercial cooperation between JetBlue and Lufthansa.

The new service will use a booking tool on the Irish airline's Web site, to which JetBlue's Web site will link. With one payment, customers will be able to buy a flight from Dublin to, say, Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., via New York, or vice versa.

The carriers hope later to include JetBlue's flights to the Caribbean and Aer Lingus's flights around Europe from Ireland.

After arriving in New York on an Aer Lingus flight and clearing customs, passengers connecting to a domestic JetBlue flight can drop their luggage at Aer Lingus's transfer desk in the arrivals lobby and take an airport train to JetBlue's terminal. Many of JetBlue's passengers arriving from Europe already do this, but in two discrete steps.

The carrier said "dozens" of foreign carriers serving Kennedy had talked about opportunities to tap into the U.S. airline's domestic route network.
Mr. Barger said JetBlue chose to work with Aer Lingus because they share a philosophy of offering low-priced one-way fares and because Aer Lingus is the only European discount carrier now offering scheduled flights to the U.S.

Naw, we'll just sell a few more Bus airframes and watch the "Lingus" ling away....
 
What would it be called if Continental and Aer Lingus merged?
 
Aer Lingus has how many flights to the US? 3 a day to JFK, and 2 a day to BOS. (one to ORD, a few a week to MCO, a few a week to SFO, and a few a week to LAX). How many of those pax actually just want to get off in JFK or BOS, and don't want to continue anywhere else? How many want to get off in Dublin or SNN and just enjoy Ireland? Barger is really trolling for everything, since he is not in an alliance. Lufthansa, for example, has 3 daily flights to JFK. Where are the connections again? How many of those pax will connect or just go to NYC?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Aer Lingus has how many flights to the US? 3 a day to JFK, and 2 a day to BOS. (one to ORD, a few a week to MCO, a few a week to SFO, and a few a week to LAX). How many of those pax actually just want to get off in JFK or BOS, and don't want to continue anywhere else? How many want to get off in Dublin or SNN and just enjoy Ireland? Barger is really trolling for everything, since he is not in an alliance. Lufthansa, for example, has 3 daily flights to JFK. Where are the connections again? How many of those pax will connect or just go to NYC?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Why are yo so spun up about this? Why don't you just try to post a profit for a change and get some of your pay cuts back.
 
Aer Lingus has how many flights to the US? 3 a day to JFK, and 2 a day to BOS. (one to ORD, a few a week to MCO, a few a week to SFO, and a few a week to LAX). How many of those pax actually just want to get off in JFK or BOS, and don't want to continue anywhere else? How many want to get off in Dublin or SNN and just enjoy Ireland? Barger is really trolling for everything, since he is not in an alliance. Lufthansa, for example, has 3 daily flights to JFK. Where are the connections again? How many of those pax will connect or just go to NYC?


Bye Bye--General Lee

You know, despite two sets of airline management poring over the ins and outs of this deal, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THOUGHT OF THIS. What is JB thinking wearing a little Ling-Ling? Or getting its Bauhaus on? Apparently you need to share this info with our CEO, so he can come to his senses and stop issuing meaningless press releases that will do nothing for JB or the Euros.

And to think that Delta will stay "My Delta." Where is that "I Believe Button", you seen it bro?


Maybe this is the beginning of the end for ....... Looftansy and Air Ling-Ling.

 
Aer Lingus has how many flights to the US? 3 a day to JFK, and 2 a day to BOS. (one to ORD, a few a week to MCO, a few a week to SFO, and a few a week to LAX). How many of those pax actually just want to get off in JFK or BOS, and don't want to continue anywhere else? How many want to get off in Dublin or SNN and just enjoy Ireland? Barger is really trolling for everything, since he is not in an alliance. Lufthansa, for example, has 3 daily flights to JFK. Where are the connections again? How many of those pax will connect or just go to NYC?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Its called open skies that little term that will eat away at Delta's international revenue stream one leg at a time.
 
Its called open skies that little term that will eat away at Delta's international revenue stream one leg at a time.

If Delta can't make money internationally they are done. All their eggs are in this basket. If they have to rely on the domestic market then it's over and even the government probably won't bail them out this time.
 
Why are yo so spun up about this? Why don't you just try to post a profit for a change and get some of your pay cuts back.


What was Delta's profit for 2007? Jetblues? Why are you, and I mean you, not yo, so spun up about Delta?*******************
 
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800Dog, Please stop the personal attacks. That is why your post is edited.
 
Aer Lingus has how many flights to the US? 3 a day to JFK, and 2 a day to BOS. (one to ORD, a few a week to MCO, a few a week to SFO, and a few a week to LAX). How many of those pax actually just want to get off in JFK or BOS, and don't want to continue anywhere else? How many want to get off in Dublin or SNN and just enjoy Ireland? Barger is really trolling for everything, since he is not in an alliance. Lufthansa, for example, has 3 daily flights to JFK. Where are the connections again? How many of those pax will connect or just go to NYC?


Bye Bye--General Lee

General Lee, have you ever been to BOS? There is a very large market considering the strong Irish heritage in Boston, New York, and Chicago as well. Aer Lingus never fed that many pax into other oneWorld airlines out of Boston, can't say for sure about JFK. However, in the summer season most US passengers on a shamrock flight has a destination within Ireland. As a way for their US presence to grow, they should ahve never left oneWorld, but taeming up with jetBlue would give them back connections out of its key cities, JFK and BOS.
 
Its called open skies that little term that will eat away at Delta's international revenue stream one leg at a time.

Again, you and others do not understand why we "agreed" to open skies in this country. Why didn't US airlines vehemently disagree to this? They knew one thing---there is a serious lack of gate space and lack of slots at the busiest US airports. What did US airlines want in this deal? Access to Hethrow. Did we get it? Yes. Can you tell me where Lufthansa (who has a whopping 3 flights a day to JFK) will go thanks to Open Skies? Where will they get the planes? They are expanding all around the world from Germany--and already are maxed out. But you already knew that. Did you listen to your own conference call? Do you remember the term "synergy"? They are adding Lufthansa SkyChef food to your planes and are replacing those gross blue chips. They may also help you hedge some fuel (if that happens---expect Air France to help Delta, and KLM to help NWA). Wow, and 34 passengers will come off those flights at JFK each day and fly onto Seattle and Richmond. Congrats! You will be Lufthansa's RJ.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee, have you ever been to BOS? There is a very large market considering the strong Irish heritage in Boston, New York, and Chicago as well. Aer Lingus never fed that many pax into other oneWorld airlines out of Boston, can't say for sure about JFK. However, in the summer season most US passengers on a shamrock flight has a destination within Ireland. As a way for their US presence to grow, they should ahve never left oneWorld, but taeming up with jetBlue would give them back connections out of its key cities, JFK and BOS.

Have you ever been to BOS? Where is the INTL terminal? Is it close to your gates? That is the problem with BOS, every INTL arrival has to park at the INTL terminal, thanks to having only one customs area. I know BOS has a lot of Irish people there, that is why Aer Lingus has a daily flight to SNN(and onto DUB) and another nonstop to DUB itself four days a week. The key part of your argument would be if there are that many people in BOS that fly to Ireland, how many extra people could Jetblue provide when their own flights are presumably full? A Delta management type said once "you can never have enough seats to Ireland in the Summer." That is why we fly 764s from JFK and ATL to DUB, and 757s this Summer from ATL and JFK to SNN. I may actually fly some of those, can't wait.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
OWNED......


Really? We had a year over year profit for 2007, and if we do merge with anyone we will have to renegotiate a contract, probably bringing back some wages that were lost. We did get a contractually obligated raise Jan 1st of 1.5%, which is better than you got. How is your airline doing? Where are those 6 airbusses going? DISOWNED.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General has spoken once again. He thinks he knows everything about every airline. Oh yeah, Delta is such a great airline and making tons of money. Not that they declared bankruptcy or anything.....
 
You know, despite two sets of airline management poring over the ins and outs of this deal, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS THOUGHT OF THIS. What is JB thinking wearing a little Ling-Ling? Or getting its Bauhaus on? Apparently you need to share this info with our CEO, so he can come to his senses and stop issuing meaningless press releases that will do nothing for JB or the Euros.

And to think that Delta will stay "My Delta." Where is that "I Believe Button", you seen it bro?


Maybe this is the beginning of the end for ....... Looftansy and Air Ling-Ling.

Why is Lufthansa investing in you? Well, the price was right with the Euro vs the dollar. They also will change your food with food from Lufthansa Skychef, which I am sure you will love. Barger is looking for alliances for any INTL feed he can get, primarily because he knows the domestic market is flat, and thanks to Lufthansa buying 19% of you, you will likely NEVER get to compete with them over the Atlantic for precious foreign currency. Nope, you are now their RJ operator. And Aer Lingus, well, they will give you a whopping 100 connectiong pax a day, maybe.

Tell me how you see it please. Just tell me what benefits you see other than a few connecting pax per day. Do you see more?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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General has spoken once again. He thinks he knows everything about every airline. Oh yeah, Delta is such a great airline and making tons of money. Not that they declared bankruptcy or anything.....

We are making money now thanks to BK, and cleaning up unwanted leases, etc. You can try it too, it is a free country.

And, instead of slamming me, which really does nothing but show your ignorance, why don't you
add something to this discussion. What is your view? Do you have one? No? Hey, you just drive the bus---nothing wrong with that...you don't really have to understand what is going on around you....

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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General has spoken once again. He thinks he knows everything about every airline. Oh yeah, Delta is such a great airline and making tons of money. Not that they declared bankruptcy or anything.....

Abandon all hope, ye of little posts. Zipper you forget that during that bankruptcy, MD-80 lease rates went from 280,000 per month down to 80,000 per month, and they have an exclusive pipeline for highly desireable, previouslly loved MD-90's for 9 million each, which is cheaper than RJ's, and that price includes engines and they already have the sims and their mechanics already know how to work on them. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated and you will like it. The journey of 10,000 posts begins with a single step young padawan.
 
General,

One question--why do you care so much about this issue? I mean, really you have like 8 posts on 2 pages.

If JB is just some squat airline with no hope of ever becoming as great and as glorious as Delta, why do you bother wasting your time on these threads?
 
All your international are belong to General. Double breasted G.I., jackpot!!

I think you need a drug test. And, if this post was from an foreign passenger, that is exactly what we are looking for. Thanks, your money and higher fare will help us out.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

One question--why do you care so much about this issue? I mean, really you have like 8 posts on 2 pages.

If JB is just some squat airline with no hope of ever becoming as great and as glorious as Delta, why do you bother wasting your time on these threads?

Well, this whole industry interests me. Not just Delta. And, you are right, I do have a lot of posts on this topic, thanks to people responding to me. I post my opinion and get a lot of flack, and then I respond again. If someone actually debated the facts and put their own opinions down, then I would probably post less. That is why I have 10000+ posts. I respond to everyone.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Well, this whole industry interests me. Not just Delta. And, you are right, I do have a lot of posts on this topic, thanks to people responding to me. I post my opinion and get a lot of flack, and then I respond again. If someone actually debated the facts and put their own opinions down, then I would probably post less. That is why I have 10000+ posts. I respond to everyone.

Bye Bye--General Lee


Alright, fair enough. Sometimes you have some really informative things to say and well, sometimes you go a little overboard with rah rah DAL...

good luck to all
 
Abandon all hope, ye of little posts. Zipper you forget that during that bankruptcy, MD-80 lease rates went from 280,000 per month down to 80,000 per month, and they have an exclusive pipeline for highly desireable, previouslly loved MD-90's for 9 million each, which is cheaper than RJ's, and that price includes engines and they already have the sims and their mechanics already know how to work on them. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated and you will like it. The journey of 10,000 posts begins with a single step young padawan.

You are correct, and we are still negotiating for the inital 9 MD90s infact. Hopefully we will get them. As far as being assimilated, a lot of your own employees have left JB for DL recently, and are now flying INTL routes from JFK on those 767ERs. Good for them.

One question about that flow up for Riddlers and UNDies. I know they have to go to Cape Air for two years before possibly flowing up to Jetblue, but did you negotiate a flow down to Cape Air in return? Serious question.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Really? We had a year over year profit for 2007, and if we do merge with anyone we will have to renegotiate a contract, probably bringing back some wages that were lost. We did get a contractually obligated raise Jan 1st of 1.5%, which is better than you got. How is your airline doing? Where are those 6 airbusses going? DISOWNED.


Bye Bye--General Lee

1.5% wow! Too bad inflation last year was 4.4% and the annual inflation rate is about 3%. After you guys merge with another carrier how many quarterly "one time aquisition charges" are going to show up on your balance sheet? Anyone care to guess how many quarterly losses Delta will put up after they merge? Don't worry though, the Oracle of FlightInfo will remind us that they are one time charges.
 
Why is Lufthansa investing in you? Well, the price was right with the Euro vs the dollar. They also will change your food with food from Lufthansa Skychef, which I am sure you will love. Barger is looking for alliances for any INTL feed he can get, primarily because he knows the domestic market is flat, and thanks to Lufthansa buying 19% of you, you will likely NEVER get to compete with them over the Atlantic for precious foreign currency. Nope, you are now their RJ operator. And Aer Lingus, well, they will give you a whopping 100 connectiong pax a day, maybe.

Tell me how you see it please. Just tell me what benefits you see other than a few connecting pax per day. Do you see more?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Look -- I told you you were right. I just sent Barger an email and told him to pack his bags, that General Lee is moving in to Forest Hills. You can park the orange car in the basement garage if you like.
 
Why is Lufthansa investing in you? Well, the price was right with the Euro vs the dollar. They also will change your food with food from Lufthansa Skychef, which I am sure you will love. Barger is looking for alliances for any INTL feed he can get, primarily because he knows the domestic market is flat, and thanks to Lufthansa buying 19% of you, you will likely NEVER get to compete with them over the Atlantic for precious foreign currency. Nope, you are now their RJ operator. And Aer Lingus, well, they will give you a whopping 100 connectiong pax a day, maybe.

Tell me how you see it please. Just tell me what benefits you see other than a few connecting pax per day. Do you see more?


Bye Bye--General Lee
Just curious GL, how many interna'l flts per day to have leaving JFK?

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