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[MarineGrunt]

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: b (1): a worker who refuses to join a labor union

I never refused. Does that mean I'm still a SkyWest scab? Does that mean you want to see me lose my job as you stated earlier? I was a yes vote, but I will probably not be the next time around because of the mentality of some ALPA members. I know they are probably to vocal minority, but it doesn't sound like an organization I want anything to do with after seeing some attitudes...

 

[PCL_128]

I never refused. Does that mean I'm still a SkyWest scab?

I wasn't calling anyone a scab. The guy said that it doesn't fit the definition, and technically, he's incorrect. But personally, I have nothing against anyone that voted YES, and I certainly don't consider you a scab. I have the utmost respect for the people that did the right thing and voted YES. For the people that didn't vote, not so much.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I never refused. Does that mean I'm still a SkyWest scab? Does that mean you want to see me lose my job as you stated earlier? I was a yes vote, but I will probably not be the next time around because of the mentality of some ALPA members. I know they are probably to vocal minority, but it doesn't sound like an organization I want anything to do with after seeing some attitudes...

PCL128, Rez, are you listening...... Y'all are doing more harm than good..... Is this the message you are trying to deliver?

 

[JoeMerchant]

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: b (1): a worker who refuses to join a labor union

....and from the same source......

(4): one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

How does that definition fit with you paying to sit in the right seat at Gulfstream?

Who is doing more harm to the profession?....

 

[donvag]

you might want to review the definition of scab, as it isn't a word that should be thrown around without sufficient reason. skywest pilots never flew struck work, and there is no reason to suggest that skywest is an alter ego with low pay and crappy working conditions that is taking jobs away from other pilots. last time i checked, there were no skywest pilots involved witht the decision of buying ASA, or of flying Midwest express in place of a fleet that their management wanted to get rid of. do everyone in the industry a favor, and don't point fingers to blame the industry's problems on someone else. you my friend are a great cause of the biggest problem we have, a split group of pilots industry wide with very little desire to fix problems, but only to blame them on someone else. and don't throw in my face the fact that skywest pilots voted ALPA down, I am one person with only one vote.

While I agree that you guys arent scabs. All I would have to say is that you guys now are going to be flying what I would call unemployed work. My 2cents

 

[JoeMerchant]

While I agree that you guys arent scabs. All I would have to say is that you guys now are going to be flying what I would call unemployed work. My 2cents

That applies to many union pilots also..... ASA, CMR, Mesaba, EGL, etc. are all flying work that used to be done by other pilots...... This really isn't a "union" issue.....

The union pilots replace people just as fast as the non-union folks...... Some just pay Herndon for the ability to say it is "OK"....

 

[PCL_128]

....and from the same source......

(4): one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

How does that definition fit with you paying to sit in the right seat at Gulfstream?

Who is doing more harm to the profession?....

As you know, I already admit that that was wrong. When are the Skywest union haters going to admit that they're wrong? I'm waiting patiently. But to answer your question, Skywest being non-union is far more harmful to the profession than a handful of newbies down in South Florida paying to bounce around in a 1900 for 300 hours. When the PCL CNC goes to the bargaining table, PCL management doesn't throw down the GIA contract on the table. They throw down the Skywest "employee handbook" with the same payrates for 50-99 seat airplanes and say "the non-union Skywest pilots do it for the same rate, so you should too."

 

[JoeMerchant]

As you know, I already admit that that was wrong. When are the Skywest union haters going to admit that they're wrong? I'm waiting patiently.

You didn't answer the question..... does paying Gulfstream not also meet the definition of a scab that you provided?

But to answer your question, Skywest being non-union is far more harmful to the profession than a handful of newbies down in South Florida paying to bounce around in a 1900 for 300 hours. When the PCL CNC goes to the bargaining table, PCL management doesn't throw down the GIA contract on the table. They throw down the Skywest "employee handbook" with the same payrates for 50-99 seat airplanes and say "the non-union Skywest pilots do it for the same rate, so you should too."

You live on the big river in Egypt..... The fact of the matter is the PCL pilots would have a better deal if they worked under the pay and rules of Skywest.....

Here at ASA, the PCL contract, and the Mesa contract did far more harm than the Skywest "employee handbook"..... Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that..... That is why ALPA is losing credibility......It was fellow union downward pressure that hurt us at ASA......

 

[Papa Woody]

You live on the big river in Egypt.......

I don't get it.

What does the Ganges River have to do with this?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't get it.

What does the Ganges River have to do with this?

.....well since the Ganges is in India, not Egypt, I guess the connection is that working for Gulfstream is like working in India.........

 

[PCL_128]

You didn't answer the question..... does paying Gulfstream not also meet the definition of a scab that you provided?

Gulfstream is an IBT airline, so therefore, no, working at GIA does not fit the definition you provided. GIA has been union for a long time.

The fact of the matter is the PCL pilots would have a better deal if they worked under the pay and rules of Skywest.....

The pilots of Pinnacle will be better off with the legally binding contract that they negotiate.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Gulfstream is an IBT airline, so therefore, no, working at GIA does not fit the definition you provided.

So paying to sit in the right seat doesn't meet the definition:
(4): one who works for less than union wages

The pilots of Pinnacle will be better off with the legally binding contract that they negotiate.

Nice tapdance..... who has better pay and workrules? Reminds me of the TommyBoy line about putting a guarantee on the box....... A "legally binding" POS isn't better than what Skywest has....

"Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of $h!t. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me."

 

[PCL_128]

So paying to sit in the right seat doesn't meet the definition

No. Plenty of unionized regionals (yours included, as you know from personal experience) had PFT. Many unionized regionals to this day don't have anything in their contracts to prevent their companies from requiring PFT. PFT is bad, but it isn't scabbing by any definition that I can find.

Nice tapdance..... who has better pay and workrules?

We'll find out after the PCL pilots get a new contract. Their current contract is 9 years old. But in the end, it's always better to have union protection than not.

 

[JoeMerchant]

We'll find out after the PCL pilots get a new contract. Their current contract is 9 years old. But in the end, it's always better to have union protection than not.

....using your definition, it is better to work for Gulfstream than for Skywest.... Are you saying you would rather work for Gulfstream than for Skywest....

If you answer YES to that question, then you truly don't understand why people have trouble with ALPA.....

You already said you would rather work for Mesa than for Skywest..... Gulfstream too?

 

[PCL_128]

Are you saying you would rather work for Gulfstream than for Skywest....

I wouldn't want to work for either. I don't trust the IBT to represent air line pilots, so it's barely more valuable than no representation at all. The possible exception would be at a large regional like RAH that has a large enough pilot group to draw resources from. At GIA, the IBT just doesn't work. They need a real union like ALPA to be effective at that airline.