Emb 170-175 and Skywest Pay

[John Pennekamp]

Don't believe the hype. If the payraise works for you, take it. If it doesn't, vote it down. If the majority vote yes, then the greater good of the pilots was served. If it is voted down, then the interest of the greater good was not addressed. In this industry, with oil at almost $100, you're lucky they aren't proposing pay cuts for everyone.

You're missing the point. If they went union they would have the ASA contract or better. Right now, they are thankful for scraps.

 

[XPOO]

You're missing the point. If they went union they would have the ASA contract or better. Right now, they are thankful for scraps.

Not really. You mean after 5 years of negotiating after voting in a union, they MAY have a contract like ASA.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Not really. You mean after 5 years of negotiating after voting in a union, they MAY have a contract like ASA.

Probably not 5 years, but yes, you're right there would be a negotiating period. But the end result is predictable due to the precedent ASA set. Negotiations are based on precedent, especially with the same parent company.

 

[ILS8L]

The SKYW business model

After an appropriate time the atmosphere is tested to determine the level of unrest. Then an adjustment is made to placate the masses, never giving more than is needed, just enough to quiet the few that may start to think for themselves. Peace and order is restored under the protective wing of SGU.

 

[John Pennekamp]

After an appropriate time the atmosphere is tested to determine the level of unrest. Then an adjustment is made to placate the masses, never giving more than is needed, just enough to quiet the few that may start to think for themselves. Peace and order is restored under the protective wing of SGU.

And then the Beehive returns to happily churning out money for the Elders.

 

[XPOO]

Probably not 5 years, but yes, you're right there would be a negotiating period. But the end result is predictable due to the precedent ASA set. Negotiations are based on precedent, especially with the same parent company.

Kind of like the precident Comair set? We all see how well that one worked out.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Kind of like the precident Comair set? We all see how well that one worked out.

Actually, they did set the precedent... right until they took a pay cut in the middle of our negotiations, hoping to get the E175. Yeah, I'd say that didn't work out too good for them. The bankruptcy was besides the point.

 

[XPOO]

Touche', but keeping cost low but competitive helps give SkyWest an advantage when new flying comes up for bid. Which in turn keeps the pilot group employed. You can at least agree that it is a very hard scale to keep balanced.

 

[BoilerUP]

You can at least agree that it is a very hard scale to keep balanced.

If he can't, I can...especially in the contract lift business.

That said, while you don't want to bankrupt your company its also not the job of the pilot group to subsidize their company's growth or financial success.

The bottom line is unless all engines are under warranty, pilots control more actual and potential cost to the company with the power levers than they'll EVER earn in monthly credit.

 

[XPOO]

Well, I am with you on this one, I think BS failed on this proposal. If you vote it down, do you think the company will counter or say "see ya next year?"

 

[John Pennekamp]

If he can't, I can...especially in the contract lift business.

That said, while you don't want to bankrupt your company its also not the job of the pilot group to subsidize their company's growth or financial success.

The bottom line is unless all engines are under warranty, pilots control more actual and potential cost to the company with the power levers than they'll EVER earn in monthly credit.

I'll agree. You need to balance the scale. That means not rape the company, and not subsidize the company.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Touche', but keeping cost low but competitive helps give SkyWest an advantage when new flying comes up for bid. Which in turn keeps the pilot group employed. You can at least agree that it is a very hard scale to keep balanced.

We shall see. Right now, ASA isn't slated for any "growth opportunities" (at least that's what they're saying). We'll see which one suddenly gets more airplanes.

Oh, BTW, the E175/190 rate on the SKW pay proposal was nothing but a carrot to grease its approval. Don't expect to actually get any. We've seen that so many times...

 

[XPOO]

Probably, since pay proposals usually get pushed through in order to set up a deal in the works. But again, it could all be smoke and mirrors. Perhaps the pay raise to the EMBs and the first year pay will sway enough vote to push this through. Smart on management's part, no question there.

 

[viper548]

Oh, BTW, the E175/190 rate on the SKW pay proposal was nothing but a carrot to grease its approval. Don't expect to actually get any. We've seen that so many times...

If the pay is going to be the same, who cares if skywest gets the E-170/175? I'm not gonna go through 2 months of training just to get paid the same

 

[viper548]

A quick glance at the seniority list show about 150 pilots are at the top of the payscale and would get about a $5/hr raise. About half of the group won't vote