Merger affect on AirTran.......

[Secret Squirrel]

I agree with puddle. It would be a tough time for the junior people at both companies. Everybody is screaming about consolidation to cut back capacity to raise prices. Both companies will continue their efforts to expand internationally and throw domestic routes to regional carriers. Two or three hubs will be changed to "Focus cities" and be a shell of their current departures.

People keep talking about the same routes overlapping, but what they fail to see is that Both companies do for example Des Moines to LAX, just Delta does it through ATL and Northwest does it through Memphis and MSP. They are still overlapping routes. They will not compete with themselves causing a reduction in combined flights out of Des Moines. This will be system wide.

Couple this with age 65 and a slowing economy, I would not be wishing for this as a new delta, NWA pilot.

 

[gearup5]

pcl 128....Obama?WTF?

 

[PCL_128]

pcl 128....Obama?WTF?

Hillary scares the crap out of me, man. I'll support Obama and vote in the Dem primary just to go against the Hilldabeast, and then I'll see who the Repubs offer up for the general election. I'll do anything to keep Hillary out of office.

 

[General Lee]

I agree with puddle. It would be a tough time for the junior people at both companies. Everybody is screaming about consolidation to cut back capacity to raise prices. Both companies will continue their efforts to expand internationally and throw domestic routes to regional carriers. Two or three hubs will be changed to "Focus cities" and be a shell of their current departures.

People keep talking about the same routes overlapping, but what they fail to see is that Both companies do for example Des Moines to LAX, just Delta does it through ATL and Northwest does it through Memphis and MSP. They are still overlapping routes. They will not compete with themselves causing a reduction in combined flights out of Des Moines. This will be system wide.

Couple this with age 65 and a slowing economy, I would not be wishing for this as a new delta, NWA pilot.

Capacity will never be cut back because there are plenty of airlines waiting for opportunities to open up. Even Mike Boyd says this. Do you think it would be smart to leave a hub and watch Southwest or Airtran come in and develop a new one?

Your Des Moines example is ambiguous. Every airline can route you through one of their hubs to a certain destination, but going on Delta from DSM to LAX via ATL is dumb, not gonna happen. Do you go from MSP to ANC via MIA too? There would not be a shrinkage of flights at DSM, rather more choice for DSM passengers--to go to a whole host of new destinations that the other did not provide. With high oil there may be a shrinkage of RJs, and RJ providers that do not bow down and give the combined company the lowest rates, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[gearup5]

Hillary scares the crap out of me, man. I'll support Obama and vote in the Dem primary just to go against the Hilldabeast, and then I'll see who the Repubs offer up for the general election. I'll do anything to keep Hillary out of office.

Ok.....I'll wait and see as well. I live here in Illinois and Obama has not done squat, other than run for President (and do crack).

 

[jke406]

Ok.....I'll wait and see as well. I live here in Illinois and Obama has not done squat, other than run for President (and do crack).

The repubs could nominate Dan Quayle and he'd beat Obama. When folks realize how little substance and how much leftist bullsh!t Obama brings to the table (not to mention the nose candy admission), they will react similarly to the "No Whopper at Burger King" commercials you may have seen.

I may even contribute to the c0cksucker's campaign just to make sure he's in the general election.

 

[jester757]

I really don't how this could be good in any way for AT. It would be like owning a grocery store and having a super wallmart dropped in your backyard. I wouldn't want the world's largest airline to be created via merger (or whatever) and have them set up shop next door. Just think of the tons of 50 plus seat RJs that they will just flood the smaller markets with at deeply discounted rates just to stick it to competition. I have been at enough DAL meetings to hear current and former mgmt. teams talk...they don't like Joe and the stuff he pulls. DAL will not make things easy by giving up routes if they have the choice - period. l

 

[gearup5]

The repubs could nominate Dan Quayle and he'd beat Obama. When folks realize how little substance and how much leftist bullsh!t Obama brings to the table (not to mention the nose candy admission), they will react similarly to the "No Whopper at Burger King" commercials you may have seen.

I may even contribute to the c0cksucker's campaign just to make sure he's in the general election.

When I say I will wait and see, I am going to wait and see who wins the republican nomination and then vote for them. None of the dems are worth a turd.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I really don't how this could be good in any way for AT. It would be like owning a grocery store and having a super wallmart dropped in your backyard. I wouldn't want the world's largest airline to be created via merger (or whatever) and have them set up shop next door. Just think of the tons of 50 plus seat RJs that they will just flood the smaller markets with at deeply discounted rates just to stick it to competition. I have been at enough DAL meetings to hear current and former mgmt. teams talk...they don't like Joe and the stuff he pulls. DAL will not make things easy by giving up routes if they have the choice - period. l

Funny thing is that it will be like Super Walmart and Super target are next door to each other. Both companies decide to merge and become super walmart. Walmart knows that it is even too much and they are going to have to combine the two into one store. How many shelves of laundry detergent can you havein one town? The two stores are going to be stabbing each other in the back to try to be the employees who keep their jobs. Service will get so bad that people will be beating down the door to go to the mom and pop grocery store. Pretty much describes AAA/AWA.

 

[easydoesit]

Seems to me that DAL has been trying to squeeze AirTran out with 50 seat RJ's for some time now. Doesn't seem to have worked thus far. Is there something different with the high operating costs of NWA?

Coming from the redtail family, I can say that NWA wants to merge before all of their labor groups come screaming for their money back. The fight is not over at NWA or DAL. Non fuel costs will come back up to haunt them.