High oil and RJs do not mix well.....

[jonjuan]

How about get rid of RJs (and frequency of flights that Fred Reid wanted so badly for business people who now hate RJs) and instead of 8 flights a day with 4 mainline and 4 RJs, just have 5 flights a day with 1 RJ and 4 mainline? Tighter supply will raise fares, and the mainline planes will be more profitable. Sounds great.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Apparently more frequency on business routes has been quite succesful for WN. However, business travelers would rather an RJ with an assigned seat and FF points with frequency(to maintain their DL Elite status so they can travel for free to Europe on vacation and upgrade often domestically than) flying on WN with no assigned seats and a limited FF program. Ask them. They will tell you that. Frequency with a 50/50 shot on an RJ is more important than a better chance of a packed 757 on a 2 hour flight, especially if they have to sit at the airport an extra 2 hours waiting for the flight.
Try it sometime, el general. "Mr business traveler, would you rather sit here in the airport for 2 more hours and wait for a middle seat on a 2-hour 757 flight or would you rather leave right now on the RJ to get you home 2-hours earlier to see your dog?"

 

[John Pennekamp]

Apparently more frequency on business routes has been quite succesful for WN. However, business travelers would rather an RJ with an assigned seat and FF points with frequency(to maintain their DL Elite status so they can travel for free to Europe on vacation and upgrade often domestically than) flying on WN with no assigned seats and a limited FF program. Ask them. They will tell you that. Frequency with a 50/50 shot on an RJ is more important than a better chance of a packed 757 on a 2 hour flight, especially if they have to sit at the airport an extra 2 hours waiting for the flight.
Try it sometime, el general. "Mr business traveler, would you rather sit here in the airport for 2 more hours and wait for a middle seat on a 2-hour 757 flight or would you rather leave right now on the RJ to get you home 2-hours earlier to see your dog?"

STOP! You're only encouraging him! No matter what you say, and no matter how logical your argument is, the General will never admit he is wrong. He will only continue his asinine drivel. The only way to win a debate with him is not to participate!

 

[AceCrackshot]

can give financial advice on how to run a trillion dollar industry...irony!
why don't you tell trump how to manage his biz while your at it!

Your point is?

 

[siucavflight]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Get out now, no jobs left in five years.

 

[AceCrackshot]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Get out now, no jobs left in five years.

The sky isn't falling, but if 75k/year, no work rules, and 10% of your take-home for benefits is your idea of career employment, then you have at it.

I refuse to compete with you.

And if you don't think cabotage is coming, well, you're living in fantasy land.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Ace, I have a question for ya. Your profile says you've been here since 2003, but up until a few days ago, I'd never seen a post by you. Now suddenly you seem to be an authority on everything. Why the sudden increase in posts?

 

[siucavflight]

The sky isn't falling, but if 75k/year, no work rules, and 10% of your take-home for benefits is your idea of career employment, then you have at it.

I refuse to compete with you.

And if you don't think cabotage is coming, well, you're living in fantasy land.

Like I said the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Get out now, find a new job, quick the sky is falling.

 

[General Lee]

STOP! You're only encouraging him! No matter what you say, and no matter how logical your argument is, the General will never admit he is wrong. He will only continue his asinine drivel. The only way to win a debate with him is not to participate!

John, tell me why I am wrong here, and also tell me why Ed Bastain should NOT park RJs during high oil?

Give me some of your thoughts on why this is a bad practice, and what should our management really do during high oil? I am so interested in your response. Giving no answer will show your ignorance on the matter. Here's your shot---what should we do?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FishandFly]

General,
Do you send your opinions up and try to change the way your company acts or do you just whine down?

It is your company that cut your pay in half, furloughed a bunch of your buddies, and diverted a good amount of your flying to the regional carriers.

To boot, it's your pilot group that put up with all of it and bent over when they agreed to fly an RJ for less than the pay at the regionals.

 

[General Lee]

General,
Do you send your opinions up and try to change the way your company acts or do you just whine down?

It is your company that cut your pay in half, furloughed a bunch of your buddies, and diverted a good amount of your flying to the regional carriers.

To boot, it's your pilot group that put up with all of it and bent over when they agreed to fly an RJ for less than the pay at the regionals.

How would you have changed that in a BK? Would you "tell" the BK judge what to do? Yes, we had two pay cuts---one to try to stave off BK, and another one in BK. What would you have done differently? If you cannot see the difference between willingly giving it up during a normal contract negotiation, and one during a BK proceeding, then I don't know what to tell you. You forget that we previously negotiated the highest pay rates yet. Scope is something that we did initially give away in the late 90s, not really knowing the consequences. During BK we had to deal---and the 76 seat allottment is actually less than the company initially wanted. Now RJs are the target during high oil, and those scope allocations we gave away are now taking care of themselves.

Also, we did have low rates for an RJ (CR9), but the only rates that are higher at a regional are your highest rates. If we ever got CR9s they would be for our most junior pilots. Our newhires are currently paid $51 an hour--a lot less than Regional Captains. We would not have any senior pilots flying the E190 or mainline CR9---if we ever got them at all. Can you see the difference? We wanted to just get them on the property, and work upwards from there, something a normal regional can NOT do. Why do any regional captains make more than our newhires? That is the way it is at any company. There will always be some discrepancy in pay between senior regional captains and our newhires or junior pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FishandFly]

How would you have changed that in a BK? Would you "tell" the BK judge what to do? Yes, we had two pay cuts---one to try to stave off BK, and another one in BK. What would you have done differently? If you cannot see the difference between willingly giving it up during a normal contract negotiation, and one during a BK proceeding, then I don't know what to tell you. You forget that we previously negotiated the highest pay rates yet. Scope is something that we did initially give away in the late 90s, not really knowing the consequences. During BK we had to deal---and the 76 seat allottment is actually less than the company initially wanted. Now RJs are the target during high oil, and those scope allocations we gave away are now taking care of themselves.

Also, we did have low rates for an RJ (CR9), but the only rates that are higher at a regional are your highest rates. If we ever got CR9s they would be for our most junior pilots. Our newhires are currently paid $51 an hour--a lot less than Regional Captains. We would not have any senior pilots flying the E190 or mainline CR9---if we ever got them at all. Can you see the difference? We wanted to just get them on the property, and work upwards from there, something a normal regional can NOT do. Why do any regional captains make more than our newhires? That is the way it is at any company. There will always be some discrepancy in pay between senior regional captains and our newhires or junior pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

Thank you for trying very hard to point out that the bad things that have happened to the delta pilot group are not the fault of the delta pilot group. Now please be a man and gulp down that it is also not the fault of the regional pilot groups. Blame it on your management or the Russians, but stop being an idiot and blaming it on us.

 

[John Pennekamp]

John, tell me why I am wrong here, and also tell me why Ed Bastain should NOT park RJs during high oil?

Give me some of your thoughts on why this is a bad practice, and what should our management really do during high oil? I am so interested in your response. Giving no answer will show your ignorance on the matter. Here's your shot---what should we do?


Bye Bye--General Lee

No. You're not worth it. Go back to the majors board and cry in your scotch, loser.

 

[IronCityBlue]

can give financial advice on how to run a trillion dollar industry...irony!
why don't you tell trump how to manage his biz while your at it!

Well then that industry is managed by supreme idiots who haven't made a dime in total since its inception, just maybe from time to time some advice from the people who actually know how to operate the things that are the core of the business is warranted. Or are you one of the no self esteem pilots who thinks what's best for management is best for everyone because they know all. :laugh: Oh I forgot to mention those brilliant managers have been recieving record breaking compensation coupled with horrible results. But yeah, they know best.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

No. You're not worth it. Go back to the majors board and cry in your scotch, loser.

I've think I've seen you posting on the majors board a few times. What is that favorite phrase of yours? Something about a kettle meeting a pot?

 

[John Pennekamp]

I've think I've seen you posting on the majors board a few times. What is that favorite phrase of yours? Something about a kettle meeting a pot?

I am definitely No General Lee. I don't go to people's houses just to insult him. That's all he's doing when he comes to the regional board and brags about how we're all going to lose our jobs, and how great HIS CAPTAIN'S big ass 767 is.