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[goahead]

Medeco, ask the union officers how hard they fought for the 30% payCUT for the LCP... My union was no where close to speaking for me on this issue...

I agree 100%, the sim has a stop button on it and your home every night.........

 

[Medeco]

Its only a loss in pay if you are not doing LCP flying.

As of right now, Id say you guys are pretty busy?

Medeco

 

[EV120]

Wrong...I am at work more, conducting more IOE, and it is still a paycut. I would need to conduct 100+ hrs of IOE to be even.

The sim does have a stop button. A CRJ with a new hire does not...

 

[wms]

Its only a loss in pay if you are not doing LCP flying.

As of right now, Id say you guys are pretty busy?

Medeco

Even if IOE is busy it'll be a pay cut. And no, there is not much IOE right now. In fact, nap lines pay more than IOE and there is less liability against your certificate.

 

[Jmoney]

They will suck!

I'll bet they really will blow.... Those clowns will make things really bad in an attempt to get everyone to accept PBS.

 

[maxcackel]

Will you still bid a basic reserve line and after awarded it then send in a request sheet for long call, short call and what time frame?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I agree 100%, the sim has a stop button on it and your home every night.........

Training and standards are separate. LCPs bid and fly the line, and train in the a/c. They are not home every night.

The paycut that they took is huge, and only through giving up days off can they make some of it back, especially if there is less OE to be done.

 

[EV120]

You can "try" and get some back, by giving back days off. But when the lines suck, and you can only get 4 day trips and 12 days off, not much to give, and still have any time at home.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Look, LCPs, you can cry in your beer how the union "screwed" you or you can get over it. Either way, the deal is done.

The union represents the majority. You are a slim minority who enjoyed a sweetheart deal for a long time. Its end was inevitable.

If you were doing it for the money, then you probably don't need to be doing it anyhow. Go ahead and do us a favor by returning to the line. I'm sure they will find plenty of line pilots willing to replace you and work for the little bit extra money that isn't good enough for you.

 

[Medeco]

Ditto Dat!

Medeco

 

[goahead]

Training and standards are separate. LCPs bid and fly the line, and train in the a/c. They are not home every night.

The paycut that they took is huge, and only through giving up days off can they make some of it back, especially if there is less OE to be done.

No shi_t dude that's exactly what I was saying.....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

If you're not doing it for the money, then what's the point? The love of teaching someone how to make a crosswind landing with passengers on board?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Look, LCPs, you can cry in your beer how the union "screwed" you or you can get over it. Either way, the deal is done.

The union represents the majority. You are a slim minority who enjoyed a sweetheart deal for a long time. Its end was inevitable.

If you were doing it for the money, then you probably don't need to be doing it anyhow. Go ahead and do us a favor by returning to the line. I'm sure they will find plenty of line pilots willing to replace you and work for the little bit extra money that isn't good enough for you.

1. What a crappy attitude to have about fellow pilots. You sure weren't willing to take a pay cut... Look at some of your old posts.

2. Sure, exactly what we need is a new cadre of inexperienced LCP's when we are hiring very inexperienced pilots off the street. You make SO much sense.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

No shi_t dude that's exactly what I was saying.....

Sorry, I read your post wrong.

 

[John Pennekamp]

1. What a crappy attitude to have about fellow pilots. You sure weren't willing to take a pay cut... Look at some of your old posts.

2. Sure, exactly what we need is a new cadre of inexperienced LCP's when we are hiring very inexperienced pilots off the street. You make SO much sense.

1. Not a crappy attitude... don't play that card with me. My attitude is realistic. They're whining that they had to take a pay cut when the difference between what they were making and what their fellow line pilots were making was larger than the yearly pay of the FOs they were teaching!

Also, you're comparing apples to oranges with my willingness to take a pay cut. I'm a line pilot. If I take a cut everyone takes a cut. The IPs/LCAs are separate. They still get paid more than the line pilots do. Just not as much as they used to. If they don't think the money is good enough to justify the work, then by all means they should step down. Others would gladly do it, myself included.

2. "New cadre of inexperienced LCP's"? Now who has a "crappy attitude to have about fellow pilots"? So you're saying that the training department is too incompetent to properly train the new LCPs, and the new LCPs aren't good enough to get themselves up to speed before conducting IOE?