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[General Lee]

Your cost may be "paired down" due to BK, but they are still higher than SWA. So if you had to compete head to head out of ATL how do you get your costs lower? I imagine they'll come looking to you again. You can't really negotiate the price of oil...but they know you'll give up pay. If you had gotten your pay raise (which you deserve) in Jan then you would be less competitive with SWA. As it stands, the raise you do get next year (albeit small and not even keeping up with inflation) puts you at a further disadvantage with SWA. A SWA/Air Tran merger should be something of concern to your domestic operation.

Shoot...maybe SWA will buy Delta and improve your lot in life.

Someone flying a 707 might not understand the real world of this airline industry, apparently. Airtran cannot expand in our (DL) largest hub, and has gone elsewhere--primarily BWI and MDW. Those are SWA hubs. They also have a presence at PHL, also a new focus of SWA's. SWA buying Airtran would give them a chunk of ATL, but primarily shore up their positions at their other hubs. If they think they can fly 25 minute turns at ATL, then they might have to rethink the deal. Could it happen? Sure. Do we compete head to head with Airtran on all of our routes? No. Do we compete with some of them? Sure. But, they can't expand due to lack of gates, and if they want to start a new city pair they have to trim back another. You need to get away from your desk and actually fly again and see what is actually happening out there.

What is funny here is that you still have years to go on your tanker, and you have missed the boat for Fedex and others. But, you have plenty of time at your desk to troll the boards and try to learn what you have missed in this industry you so desperately do not understand.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tanker Clown]

I'm not really sure that SWA has to rely on the 25 minute turn as much. I'm sure they don't get those in PHL. But then again, how many times in it's history has SWA been told that they can't do something? Read Hard Landings. Taking over in ATL wouldn't be that far fetched.

Looks like things will get interesting this coming year. High oil and an looming recession...maybe the AF isn't a bad place to be to ride it out. I get a 3% raise every year. Hope with a sluggish economy they don't ask for pay cuts with you guys again...because we all know that you'll roll and give them up.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Probably be good for DL if SWA did buy Airtran. DL would be competing with a company that has much higher costs than Airtran and there would be lots of overlap to trim. Anything can happen in this business though. SWA may surprise everyone and buy a legacy to get an instant international operation.

I agree with the whole SWA buying a legacy game....they can afford it. SWA buying Airtran wouldn't help DL....DL mgmt is in the fetal position thinking that they can compete with 70 seat RJ's against SWA's jets if they come to ATL.....An RJ costs more to operate on a stage length than a 737, no questions there and SWA does a good job filling 737's

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Plus SWA would get the RJ's they have been talking about. The 717's were bought for less than the RJ with a much better CASM. It would allow them to open new markets while still operating an all Boeing Fleet. At least I hope so because I am on the 717.

 

[737 Pylt]

I'm not really sure that SWA has to rely on the 25 minute turn as much. I'm sure they don't get those in PHL. But then again, how many times in it's history has SWA been told that they can't do something? Read Hard Landings. Taking over in ATL wouldn't be that far fetched.

Looks like things will get interesting this coming year. High oil and an looming recession...maybe the AF isn't a bad place to be to ride it out. I get a 3% raise every year. Hope with a sluggish economy they don't ask for pay cuts with you guys again...because we all know that you'll roll and give them up.

Maybe with all that stellar flight time, and your charming personality, you might be able to get hired at Mesa. Good luck. Gear up!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Hey!!!!!!!! Long time no hear....well as 737 Pylt (only as GL). My flight time is a little skewed. About 1100 of it is time in the jump seat (other time).

Maybe I should go to Mesa. If I upgrade pretty quick I could make more there than Delta...I'm assuming that you guys will ask for pay cuts next year when the economy flattens out and SWA starts ripping your all of your domestic customers.

Hope you don't see a world wide recession....then that international expansion will be as dismal as your domestic stuff.

Good luck my friend....and let's try and keep it on the taxi way over the holidays.

 

[vetrider]

SWA is gonna buy the east half of LCC and give them date of hire. Thats a joke, but believe it or not some numbnuts over there probably believe it.

 

[737 Pylt]

Hey!!!!!!!! Long time no hear....well as 737 Pylt (only as GL). My flight time is a little skewed. About 1100 of it is time in the jump seat (other time).

Wow, impressive. I bet you're really popular hanging out at the malls telling that to all the chicks!

Maybe I should go to Mesa. If I upgrade pretty quick I could make more there than Delta...

Funny, you make fun of our pay, yet its still remarkably more than a tanker pilot makes!

I'm assuming that you guys will ask for pay cuts next year when the economy flattens out and SWA starts ripping your all of your domestic customers.

Funny how you're not even a SWA pilot, and you know so little about their operation, let alone anyone's operation. Stick to that jumpseat, its what youre (supposedly) good at.

Hope you don't see a world wide recession....then that international expansion will be as dismal as your domestic stuff.

Again, you're too funny! Keep em coming, its almost as laughable as your paycheck and total time!

Good luck my friend....and let's try and keep it on the taxi way over the holidays.

Will do, and you make sure to write home for the holidays. It must be tough not being home for Christmas!
Take care cheif!

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

737,

You should check out my pay scale...it's public record. With housing allowance (which is tax free) and an aviation bonus + flight pay....I probably make a little more than you. Ha Ha Ha. And have you ever known a government employee to ever get a pay cut? Neither have I. It's usually 3% a year raise before the longevity and promotions kick in. Feel free to go online and check out those numbers.

Sorry to dissapoint you about being gone for Christmas. I'm home (again) and will be for months to come. Only spent about 30 days on the road (total) in '07. 5 were fighter drags in and out of the Middle East....so you know what that means.....TAX FREE for 5 months of 2007!!!! Ha! So I make more than you and I pay only a fraction of what you do in taxes. Ho Ho Ho.

You home for Christmas this year?

 

[Noserider76]

I agree with the whole SWA buying a legacy game....they can afford it. SWA buying Airtran wouldn't help DL....DL mgmt is in the fetal position thinking that they can compete with 70 seat RJ's against SWA's jets if they come to ATL.....An RJ costs more to operate on a stage length than a 737, no questions there and SWA does a good job filling 737's

The only drawback I see is their all coach domestic product. An all coach international or an all premium international airline has yet to be proven. Business drives much of the international revenue and those guys don't want to be cramed in a cattle car for 8+ hours. Airlines need the revenue first/business class gives them to make many routes work. An all coach domestic product feeding a 2 or 3 class international network won't work either in my opinion. One of the big reasons the plug was pulled on Song.

I agree with you on the futility of using RJs to compete. That may be the silver lining of high fuel costs. It may force management to pull their head out and buy an efficient 100-120 seat aircraft. There are some routes where you'll never be able to run mainline but some of the routes RJ operate on are ridiculous.

 

[737 Pylt]

737,

You should check out my pay scale...it's public record. With housing allowance (which is tax free) and an aviation bonus + flight pay....I probably make a little more than you. Ha Ha Ha. And have you ever known a government employee to ever get a pay cut? Neither have I. It's usually 3% a year raise before the longevity and promotions kick in. Feel free to go online and check out those numbers.

Sorry to dissapoint you about being gone for Christmas. I'm home (again) and will be for months to come. Only spent about 30 days on the road (total) in '07. 5 were fighter drags in and out of the Middle East....so you know what that means.....TAX FREE for 5 months of 2007!!!! Ha! So I make more than you and I pay only a fraction of what you do in taxes. Ho Ho Ho.

You home for Christmas this year?

We'll try this again spanker clown.
I've seen your wages, and yes, that's why I find I find it ironic that you think your wages are higher. Obviously math isn't one of your strong points, much like your flight time and flying ability!
Do us all a favor, don't apply to DL. We'll be much happier without you here, and laughing at the fact that you can't get hired at SWA.
Merry Christmas clown.

737

 

[Tanker Clown]

Man, I don't get it. If you blocked 1000 hours a year you would be in the $121K range as an FO on the 767-400. And that's a big IF.

On the other hand....there's your humble government servant here:

Basic pay: 7013 (That's for '08)
Housing: 2306 (That's before a 7.3 proposed raise)
Flight Pay: 840
BAS: 193
_____________________________________
$10352 x 12 = $124,224
+ Aviation Continuation $25,000/year
_____________________________________
Annual Income $149,224

And, did I mention I don't pay much in income taxes...and by the way, I haven't had to pay state taxes in almost 20 years. And my health care is 100% free.

Sorry 737 Pylt....I make more money than you.

 

[popgoesbubble]

Ah 737Pylts Back From his Long Break of being BANNED by the Moderators Not ONCE but TWICE!
You only have One Life Left Bill Better Make it Count!

Ops I forgot you can always Log on under your Other Usernames Scope Out Rj's, Hevey Set or General Lee! Ops I forgot that was a Secret Bill My Bad!

Tanker Clown Don't even Bother wasting your time with MR M. I use to fly with this Fool at the regional levels No one liked him then and No one Likes him Now!

Oh and Nice little Comment Implying that our Military Pilots can't do Math you little fat Turd! what still bothered you couldn't get that Air force Waiver for your Eye's ?

Oh and Tanker Clown a Thousand Thanks isn't enough for the Scrafices Guys like you are making for us all back Home and if your Deployed overseas fly Safe this Holiday.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

Man, I don't get it. If you blocked 1000 hours a year you would be in the $121K range as an FO on the 767-400. And that's a big IF.

On the other hand....there's your humble government servant here:

Basic pay: 7013 (That's for '08)
Housing: 2306 (That's before a 7.3 proposed raise)
Flight Pay: 840
BAS: 193
_____________________________________
$10352 x 12 = $124,224
+ Aviation Continuation $25,000/year
_____________________________________
Annual Income $149,224

And, did I mention I don't pay much in income taxes...and by the way, I haven't had to pay state taxes in almost 20 years. And my health care is 100% free.

Sorry 737 Pylt....I make more money than you.

Not to hijack the thread but TC is right. Uncle Sam's beahhhhtches make pretty good dough. The steady 3% per year increase has slowly surpassed most airline pay. All my buds who stayed (and most have)have made O-5 and are making six figures. If you can put up with the b.s., making it a career is a smart move. Having said this, I for one do not regret leaving even with the massive paycut I/we had to endure.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Ah 737Pylts Back From his Long Break of being BANNED by the Moderators Not ONCE but TWICE!
You only have One Life Left Bill Better Make it Count!

Ops I forgot you can always Log on under your Other Usernames Scope Out Rj's, Hevey Set or General Lee! Ops I forgot that was a Secret Bill My Bad!

Tanker Clown Don't even Bother wasting your time with MR M. I use to fly with this Fool at the regional levels No one liked him then and No one Likes him Now!

Oh and Nice little Comment Implying that our Military Pilots can't do Math you little fat Turd! what still bothered you couldn't get that Air force Waiver for your Eye's ?

Wow! Is our little Irish friend not little at all? I've never seen him but a fat guy with glasses makes sense. I've heard from all the people that know him that he's a turd. I hear that he is even a new hire mentor at Delta. Ha ha ha ha ha. Man, if he gets a retired AF guy maybe the AF guy can treat him to a Slim Fast...especially since the AF guy just finished making more money.

Sorry General/737...the numbers are what they are. We all pay our dues...just sometimes paying your dues pays more (like in the AF) than it does as a senior FO (like at Delta).