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just farmin

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So you are flying for a 121 airline into an airport with two parallel runways, call them 17L and 17R, with the control tower in between them. 17R has an ILS and RVR and is currently reporting RVR below your mins. The tower is covered in fog too, and therefore is reporting viz of 1/4 mile. You can clearly see that 17L is completely in the clear. 17L has a vor approach with viz mins of 1 mile, but no RVR reporting. As a 121 carrier, how can you land on 17L?
Some of my ideas:
Cancel IFR - can't because viz is IFR
Circle from 17R - can't because circling viz mins are above 1/4 mile
Fly VOR approach - can't start approach with viz reported at 1/4 mile.
This happened to us; we got the RVR we needed on 17R, but we discussed our options while waiting for that and couldnt come up with a legal way to use 17L. Any ideas?
 
Reported wx is controlling. Doesn't matter if its clear and a spider built a web over the sensor. If your 121 and wx is reported below mins you go to the alt.
 
I had a crew do just that - holding over the airport, low layer of ground fog, could see the airport when directly above, controller said "so youre saying the flight visibility is 5 miles?"

"I spose so"

"Cleared for approach"
 
How about this:

TAF has quarter mile in the main body for ETA.
Metar is reporting 1/4 SM, RVR is reporting 2000RVR.

Can you dispatch?
 
I had a crew do just that - holding over the airport, low layer of ground fog, could see the airport when directly above, controller said "so youre saying the flight visibility is 5 miles?"

"I spose so"

"Cleared for approach"

We had a crew do something similar at ASA. They could see the airport even though the asos was reporting visiblity below mins. Feds busted them.
 
How about this:

TAF has quarter mile in the main body for ETA.
Metar is reporting 1/4 SM, RVR is reporting 2000RVR.

Can you dispatch?
Depends on the conditional language.
 

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