Can we please lose the hats now at Citrus?

[Guppiedriver]

Wait a minute....you think management will give us a raise if we wear our hats? Dayum, if it's that easy, sign me up. NOT!

If you think wearing a hat will earn you respect, you will need to remove your hat, so you can get your bald head examined.

 

[Max Powers]

For those of us that understand CRM and team work - I always notice that when I interact with gate agents or ramp workers you get more friendly respect by having that stupid arrogant and Nazi like hat OFF..... of course AAI is guilty of having a few Ego tripping type A personality pilots and therefore that is why some of us unfortunately like the hat.

Like I said make the Hat optional for those few fools that get their wood row off of feeling superior to a Lav cleaner by wearing it.

And no we won't get a raise by wearing it.

 

[twepilot]

Not to change the subject..But...What the frick are we doing about SAP2? Who gives a rats ass about a stupid lid??

RV

 

[atldc9]

Not to change the subject..But...What the frick are we doing about SAP2? Who gives a rats ass about a stupid lid??

RV

Can we get an amen? They pay us to wear the hat. Who cares. Fix the contract and QOL issues, then worry about the freaking hat. And Iron your shirt you f***ing slob. And buy me a beer. And can we hope the steelers get crushed this weekend.

 

[V2+10]

Gotta agree with “Rez’ on this one.

There was a time in this country when it was considered a privilege to fly on an airplane. Gentlemen passengers wore suits and ties and the ladies wore dresses. It cost a lot of money to fly back then. Not anymore.

Today tickets are cheap and dress codes do not exist. Passengers feel that they can look and act however they wish just because they paid a $49 fare.

Consider that we as pilots have taken it in the shorts for quite some time now with pay and benefit erosion. It’s easy to feel brow beat. There was a time when we were looked upon with respect. We have a skill that not too many other people posses and we were paid accordingly. This too has changed. Please remember however some fault lies with us.

The truly sad fact is that we as pilots have allowed ourselves to become part of the $49 crowd. We have lost many of the traditions that made this profession respected, dress codes included. No hats, no blazers, no ties, it goes on and on and where does it stop?

If we truly want to be paid and treated like a professional it’s time we act like one. Never forget that traditions were the foundation that made this the career choice we all envisioned. If that means wearing a hat, then do so with pride.

V2

 

[olympus593]

Wait a minute....you think management will give us a raise if we wear our hats? Dayum, if it's that easy, sign me up. NOT!

If you think wearing a hat will earn you respect, you will need to remove your hat, so you can get your bald head examined.

That some funny s-h-i-t right there.

 

[cl65capt]

Think if this went up for a vote would more than 49% vote? Before anyone says anything, yes I did vote.

 

[LJDRVR]

I like the hat. Makes the uniform look good. I'm not short, bald or ugly, nor do I carry on a name-calling campaign against those who don't like the headgear.

Why such vitriol, fellas? The folks who make me chuckle are the guys who carry it around, like they're afraid to mess up their "John Edwards hair helmet" or something. If the CP strolls by are you going to put it on? Really, if you don't like it that's cool - have the balls to leave it at home.

Also, the "I'll-look/act-like-a-professional-when-they-pay-me-to" argument. I've never understood that. You took the job knowing what the requirements were and what the pay was, but now you're going to change the rules. Sounds like your professionalism is for sale. No offense meant, just an observation.

PS-As far as public expectations go, I don't care if you're a bleeding-heart member of move-on, the green party the black panthers and your "partner" is a minority and like you, "batting for the other team", and you hate whitey; you still want your airline Captain to look like Peter Graves in Airplane - with the hat.

 

[Max Powers]

Gotta agree with “Rez’ on this one.

There was a time in this country when it was considered a privilege to fly on an airplane. Gentlemen passengers wore suits and ties and the ladies wore dresses. It cost a lot of money to fly back then. Not anymore.

Today tickets are cheap and dress codes do not exist. Passengers feel that they can look and act however they wish just because they paid a $49 fare.

Consider that we as pilots have taken it in the shorts for quite some time now with pay and benefit erosion. It’s easy to feel brow beat. There was a time when we were looked upon with respect. We have a skill that not too many other people posses and we were paid accordingly. This too has changed. Please remember however some fault lies with us.

The truly sad fact is that we as pilots have allowed ourselves to become part of the $49 crowd. We have lost many of the traditions that made this profession respected, dress codes included. No hats, no blazers, no ties, it goes on and on and where does it stop?

If we truly want to be paid and treated like a professional it’s time we act like one. Never forget that traditions were the foundation that made this the career choice we all envisioned. If that means wearing a hat, then do so with pride.

V2

Hey to break this to you but but the tradition you are referring to had us never wearing hats inside!

Losing the hat is a much needed sign of us sticking it to the man. We are like a bunch of fast food employees with some dorky hat on.

 

[FR8mastr]

The only reason people don't like the hats is their ego's "I dont look cool in a hat" "I look like a sky cap"
These people will never see the how a pilot looks to a passenger, because they are to egosentric to get past "how do I look".

The proof of this is in this thread, how many complaints about the hat being too damn hot in the summer have you read? By the way I agree with that, it is too hot in the summer.

So if you hate the hat so much, at least be honest with yourself, and use the real reason, your own vanity.
In the meanwhile the profession will degrade further and further.
Before you start blasting me, the hat is just a symbol of many things that are destroying what's left of this profession.

 

[another cfii]

I'd wear a hat if it's a baseball hat! Hats are for dorks, or in this case, dorky pilots.

 

[Max Powers]

The only reason people don't like the hats is their ego's "I dont look cool in a hat" "I look like a sky cap"
These people will never see the how a pilot looks to a passenger, because they are to egosentric to get past "how do I look".

The proof of this is in this thread, how many complaints about the hat being too damn hot in the summer have you read? By the way I agree with that, it is too hot in the summer.

So if you hate the hat so much, at least be honest with yourself, and use the real reason, your own vanity.
In the meanwhile the profession will degrade further and further.
Before you start blasting me, the hat is just a symbol of many things that are destroying what's left of this profession.

Yawn.....Let me translate your thoughts........----Look I am an old, closed minded uneducated fool and if you don't do things the way I think is best then you are unamerican and some pretty boy blah blah blah Let me guess Your idea of CRM is the "Eastern way".

Who cares why: maybe someone doesn't want to mess their hair up or their head gets itchy in the summer or an FO is sick of grabbing for it everytime he gets up to do a Post flight.

Just make it Optional. Let me guess my no vote cost you 30 grand excuse me for trying to better my career.

PS i'm just trying to get your goat but you know I am right

 

[CoolSidePillow]

The only hat i wear with pride is my Yankee hat!!!

Why? Do you play for the Yankees?

 

[jetflier]

-wear the hat
-dump the black sneakers
-get rid of the Etnies backpack
-learn how to tie a tie
-and iron a shirt
...and be a real Airline Pilot !

 

[RadioClash]

I would rather wear the hat than look like a TSA agent...but hey that is just me.

I cannot believe that people are getting their panties in a wad over wanting to lose the hat. Like others have said there are bigger issues to take care of than a stupid hat.

So would you be willing to give up pay, or reserve rules, or an extra day off to not have to wear the hat? Didn't think so.

You took the job knowing that you would have to wear a uniform. If you worried about your gelled up hair melting down your face then stop using gel, maybe use something like American Crew fiber.

Concentrate on the contract and QOL issues.

Wow, getting rid of the hat is really "sticking it to the man", how rebellious. Did you notice the sarcasm?