PCL Captains..

[Lazy8]

When you see a high employee number on your trip please do not automatically assume this person went to Jet U and you'll have to micromanage their duties the entire flight. I know you guys are burned out on instructing some of these 200 hour folks, but some of your newer FOs actually do know how to talk on the radio and can keep the shiny side up. Not all of us bought our jobs.

Going into your flights already being pissed off about flying with someone you don't have to really sets a bad tone and makes things miserable for everyone. I've been here almost 6 months and I still have captains the feel the need to brief me on when/what/how I should talk to ATC, etc. It's a little funny, but seriously guys - not needed for everyone. You don't have to keep you instructor hat on all the time.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Too late for that. As Captain, it is my duty to assume you know nothing. That is the new reality. Like it or not.

 

[Lazy8]

Too late for that. As Captain, it is my duty to assume you know nothing. That is the new reality. Like it or not.

Understandable - but it is possible to assume someone knows nothing and still treat them with respect and give them the benefit of the doubt.

It really hasn't been a big issue, it's just annoying when you get a captain that's already frowning at you when you approach the gate. I've noticed that these have usually been guys insecure in their own abilities. -just saying...

 

[machaf]

Let me guess... Was it J.H.? He is known for micro-managing the hell out of you.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Too late for that. As Captain, it is my duty to assume you know nothing. That is the new reality. Like it or not.

Nope...sorry..... the new reality is guys are upgrading with less and less time. They are gaining more responsibility without the experience...

As you soon as you let the FO know that YOU know they have minimal flight time they turn into intimidated worthless boobs.

Who cares how much flight time they have. If you can't handle a 200TT FO, then bid back to FO yourself. Or call the schoolhouse and tell them you want more sim time, left seat style.

The Captains that can't handle the 200TT FO's are the low time Captains themselves and/or Captains that don't have much faith......in themselves....


You gonna be a tough Captain and call your "weak FO" off the trip.... guess who your replacement will be... your weak FO's Jet U training partner with 400TT.... now you've done it! Good job... you've just double your right seat expierence...


Bring on the new hire FO's....why?

I get to train them right and make them professionals. They are a blank check and I get to determine thier value... The tough part is unbuilding all the negativity that you programed into them....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nope...sorry..... the new reality is guys are upgrading with less and less time. They are gaining more responsibility without the experience...

As you soon as you let the FO know that YOU know they have minimal flight time they turn into intimidated worthless boobs.

Who cares how much flight time they have. If you can't handle a 200TT FO, then bid back to FO yourself. Or call the schoolhouse and tell them you want more sim time, left seat style.

The Captains that can't handle the 200TT FO's are the low time Captains themselves and/or Captains that don't have much faith......in themselves....


You gonna be a tough Captain and call your "weak FO" off the trip.... guess who your replacement will be... your weak FO's Jet U training partner with 400TT.... now you've done it! Good job... you've just double your right seat expierence...


Bring on the new hire FO's....why?

I get to train them right and make them professionals. They are a blank check and I get to determine thier value... The tough part is unbuilding all the negativity that you programed into them....

It is this tacit approval of using the 121 cockpit as a flight training tool that has contributed to the downward spiral of the profession..... In addition to the safety issue.....

When ALPA cheerleaders approve of using the 121 cockpit as a training ground for 200 hour pilots, most of us realize that ALPA has lost it's way.....

 

[PinnacleDude]

ALPA does not hire 'em or fire 'em, Joe. While I would always like to fly with experienced First Officers, the reality is this company has turned to a mill to fill the slots. You can try and train them up in the manner in which they should go or you can turn them into bitter pilots. There are enough bitter ones out there, already.

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA does not hire 'em or fire 'em, Joe. While I would always like to fly with experienced First Officers, the reality is this company has turned to a mill to fill the slots. You can try and train them up in the manner in which they should go or you can turn them into bitter pilots. There are enough bitter ones out there, already.

The AMA doesn't hire doctors, but they wouldn't allow puppy farms to turn out a doctor in 10 months...

The ABA doesn't hire lawyers, but they wouldn't allow puppy farms to turn out a lawyer in 10 months....

Why doesn't ALPA show some leadership in this area? Isn't one of the selling points of ALPA that they are influencial in Wash DC? They don't seem to care much about this issue..... Why not?

It is both a safety issue and collective bargaining issue..... and ALPA has failed......

 

[norskman2]

the reality is this company has turned to a mill to fill the slots.

As have most regionals, it seems....

 

[front9]

I've been here almost 6 months

Well now, that whopping 6 months of experience makes you a veteran in the cockpit doesn’t it junior? Look kid, 6 months in the right seat is nothing to crow about, in-fact you are more dangerous now than when you first started cause you think you know everything. Things always seem easier from the right seat.

Let me explain how to survive your first year at an airline. Even if you know how to do something (radios, approaches, whatever), or you’ve been told the 100th time how to do something, your job as an F/O is to smile, thank the CA for his words of wisdom and keep flying. Try being humble and not cocky or over sensitive when given advice, it may save your ass one day.

As a F/O, you have the opportunity to learn from different CA out there. Everybody has a SOP to follow, yet everybody has their unique interpretation of the SOP and their own technique when it comes to flying. By shutting your mouth and opening your eyes you can learn what works and more importantly what doesn’t.

When its your certificate on the line you will feel the same way about pilots like yourself. TIFWIW

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The AMA doesn't hire doctors, but they wouldn't allow puppy farms to turn out a doctor in 10 months...

Are you a doctor? Is this a doctor forum? the medical profession?

The ABA doesn't hire lawyers, but they wouldn't allow puppy farms to turn out a lawyer in 10 months....

Are you a lawyer? Is this a lawyer forum? The legal profession?

Why doesn't ALPA show some leadership in this area?

Visualize Frank Burns style grown man pouting, whining and crying that the world doesn't think like HE does...

Isn't one of the selling points of ALPA that they are influencial in Wash DC? They don't seem to care much about this issue..... Why not?

As you cry I yawn....

It is both a safety issue and collective bargaining issue..... and ALPA has failed......

No Joe... this is a tactical on site captain mentaility and attitude issue....

But as with you...all of your misery is tied to ALPA...and thus youmust tie everything to ALPA...

 

[Lazy8]

Well now, that whopping 6 months of experience makes you a veteran in the cockpit doesn’t it junior? Look kid, 6 months in the right seat is nothing to crow about, in-fact you are more dangerous now than when you first started cause you think you know everything. Things always seem easier from the right seat.

Let me explain how to survive your first year at an airline. Even if you know how to do something (radios, approaches, whatever), or you’ve been told the 100th time how to do something, your job as an F/O is to smile, thank the CA for his words of wisdom and keep flying. Try being humble and not cocky or over sensitive when given advice, it may save your ass one day.

As a F/O, you have the opportunity to learn from different CA out there. Everybody has a SOP to follow, yet everybody has their unique interpretation of the SOP and their own technique when it comes to flying. By shutting your mouth and opening your eyes you can learn what works and more importantly what doesn’t.

When its your certificate on the line you will feel the same way about pilots like yourself. TIFWIW

Once again I'm not bragging about my own abilities in the flight deck. I know I'm new. I'm still learning a lot. I go into every flight with an open mind and willingness to learn. Sometimes what I learn from captains is what NOT to act/fly like. It's quite difficult sometimes to take a captain seriously that makes up (not interepret differently - make up) policies to support his own flight deck agenda, has zero regard for passenger comfort, flys 9 out of 10 approaches unstable, and all the while is giving me advice while wearing a clip-on tie. Sure, I smile and thank these captains every time and learn a lot from it. I've been surviving my first year just fine.

I think you're completely misreading what I posted, but that's okay. I knew one of the local FI "hotshots" here would come on to reply any second to "set me straight". All I'm saying is it's not necessary for some captains to set such a sh*ty tone right from the get-go. Every guy I've flown with that has been a pissy micromanaging wacko has offered little to learn from except for the fact that I'd rather not fly with 'em again. And trust me - every time I fly with one of these guys I do feel like my certificate is on the line. These are not the kind of people I would want my family flying in the back with during an emergency.

Sure, I'm just a lowly 6-month FO. So what? I still know the difference between someone full of sh*t and someone legitimate.

 

[Lazy8]

The Captains that can't handle the 200TT FO's are the low time Captains themselves and/or Captains that don't have much faith......in themselves....

exactly

 

[sperfly]

and all the while is giving me advice while wearing a clip-on tie.

Why does it have to be a clip on tie thing. I'm going along with and then you have to go and bash the clip on.

 

[Lazy8]

Why does it have to be a clip on tie thing. I'm going along with and then you have to go and bash the clip on.

lol - yeah

Don't get me wrong - some of the best folks I've flown with here wear clip-ons.

It was a clip-on tie that was half out and half in of his collar every day of the trip and the clip was showing. A passenger even asked me, "uhm, is he wearing a clip-on?" - and started laughing. It was just accenting this guy's ridiculousness.

I don't care if you got a clip-on but people shouldn't be able to notice it. That's the point of them isn't it?