Will SKW slow down?

[Flip]

I heard that same thing. what I was told is that the airline that came to us with the deal said it'll depend on the outcome of the drive, not Jerry passing on it.

Jeez you guys believe everything. Its spin. Plain and simple. Mgnt said whatever it took to keep ALPA off property. It worked. Now they will go back to the same old way of chipping away at our 'rules' and that will be that.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

It's not ja and gang. It would be the major partner that is nervious giving airplanes to an airline that may strike over a contract. look around, what airline got huge growth durring contract talks? NONE!

Umm, yeah...because there are so many non-union regionals for them to give "huge growth" to!?

 

[Andy Neill]

I heard that if we "deal BH an ace" by voting down ALPA, then we will be rewarded with a huge pay increase across the board and everything will be just wonderful forever after...oh wait, thats already happened several times and then we don't hear from management or SAPA again until the next union drive starts up!!

I heard something different on that pay vote where the "deal Brad an ace" statement was used. While a lot of pilots' selective ears heard

"Vote for this temporary less than ideal pay raise where 50-99 seat pay was the same, and you'll see a big raise next time",

that's not what I heard. What I heard was

"Vote for this pay package and the company will have the flexibility to attract more flying which will result in faster progression to the left seat which means more pay for you - not in the scale but in your progress through the scale."

I never heard anyone from SAPA or the managment team say otherwise. By the way, looking at the fleet structure before and after that vote, I think they delivered on that promise. Similarly, there may be some who are hearing the OC say,

"Vote ALPA in and life will be great",

even though the OC is not saying that. We often hear what we want to hear and not what people are saying. I think if ALPA is voted in, the OC will deliver on their promises but will fall short of what many of the pilots expected.

 

[SkyNation]

Andy

spot ON!

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

I never heard anyone from SAPA or the managment team say otherwise. By the way, looking at the fleet structure before and after that vote, I think they delivered on that promise. Similarly, there may be some who are hearing the OC say,

"Vote ALPA in and life will be great",

even though the OC is not saying that. We often hear what we want to hear and not what people are saying. I think if ALPA is voted in, the OC will deliver on their promises but will fall short of what many of the pilots expected.

Respectfully,

If ALPA was in place, would you be able to hold a medical after health issues?

If you were a line pilot, would you not want what:
All ALPA carriers have
American Airline Pilots have
UPS Pilots have
SouthWest Airline Pilots have

ALPA Aeromedical going to bat to get your medical back?

Also consider the legal issues.
Look at the past firings.

How can you justify not having representation?

Thanks for your answers.
I know there are many issues here, but bottom line for me, aeromedical and a contract are two key issues..its not for the magazine.

 

[amcnd]

Andy

spot ON!

I second that!!

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Also,

Has anyone read:

"Fast Food Nation?"

Good look at what companies will do to NOT have a union get in the way of how they do business.

 

[obadie]

Thinking about making a move from Eagle to SKW. Have only been here a few months so the lateral move won't be too tough. I have heard that there are no more upgrade or new hire classes this year. Is this just a typical holiday slow down or are things not going to be fast at SKW anymore. I don't care if upgrade is less than a year but I don't want to jump ship if I'm going to be at the end of the hiring boom.

FACT
Training dept. wanted to run a class of 70, but only had 23 to put in class.

RUMOR
1.Flying for Southwest and/or American...
2.C-Series aircraft 100+ seats

Source Sim instructor meeting..

Believe it when I see it....

P.S. dont kill the messenger!!

 

[flyboyzz1]

FACT
Training dept. wanted to run a class of 70, but only had 23 to put in class.

RUMOR
1.Flying for Southwest and/or American...
2.C-Series aircraft 100+ seats

Source Sim instructor meeting..

Believe it when I see it....

P.S. dont kill the messenger!!

So maybe the interview won't be too crazy then eh

 

[120% Torque]

FACT
Training dept. wanted to run a class of 70, but only had 23 to put in class.

RUMOR
1.Flying for Southwest and/or American...
2.C-Series aircraft 100+ seats

Source Sim instructor meeting..

Believe it when I see it....

P.S. dont kill the messenger!!

Messenger, you will not be killed. One rumour tip however. At least check the viability of a rumour before you pass it along. The C-Series will not be avail for four years at the soonest (2011). This causes the "buzz" to turn into a quiet hummmmmm.

PS- The Southwest rumour is in competition with another current rumour....that southwest is buying Alaska Airlines and will use Horizon for its feed.

 

[catIIIc]

FACT
Training dept. wanted to run a class of 70, but only had 23 to put in class.

RUMOR
1.Flying for Southwest and/or American...
2.C-Series aircraft 100+ seats

Source Sim instructor meeting..

Believe it when I see it....

P.S. dont kill the messenger!!

And you can't fly for AA because you fly 70-76 seaters for UAL, DAL and AA scope does not alow you to fly for them unless you guys start another certificate like CHQ-S5.

 

[cfi_greg]

Thinking about making a move from Eagle to SKW. Have only been here a few months so the lateral move won't be too tough. I have heard that there are no more upgrade or new hire classes this year. Is this just a typical holiday slow down or are things not going to be fast at SKW anymore. I don't care if upgrade is less than a year but I don't want to jump ship if I'm going to be at the end of the hiring boom.

There are no more upgrades because cause there's not enough FO's

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I heard something different on that pay vote where the "deal Brad an ace" statement was used. While a lot of pilots' selective ears heard

"Vote for this temporary less than ideal pay raise where 50-99 seat pay was the same, and you'll see a big raise next time",

that's not what I heard. What I heard was

"Vote for this pay package and the company will have the flexibility to attract more flying which will result in faster progression to the left seat which means more pay for you - not in the scale but in your progress through the scale."

I never heard anyone from SAPA or the managment team say otherwise. By the way, looking at the fleet structure before and after that vote, I think they delivered on that promise. Similarly, there may be some who are hearing the OC say,

"Vote ALPA in and life will be great",

even though the OC is not saying that. We often hear what we want to hear and not what people are saying. I think if ALPA is voted in, the OC will deliver on their promises but will fall short of what many of the pilots expected.

Andy,
The "deal Brad and ace" statement was more of a metaphor for all the promises that always come up every time we have a union drive on the property...it's those times that we all of a sudden start hearing from management about how we need to work together without a third party to make things better, how their door is always open, and how we should just trust them to take care of us once the evil union is voted down once again, etc., etc., etc.!
This from the same company that didn't see fit to give us any COLA for the last 7 years, and either 0 or 1% for the next four years. I've always been a strong advocate for the company, doing everything possible on my end to benefit Skyw, somehow going backwards for 11 years without any COLA for inflation doesn't quite fit my idea of working together?!!!


P.S. I voted NO on the TA because I don't believe pilots should sell themselves out for growth...from what I heard, we already had the flying either way! With the TA, it just meant more money for Skyw Inc., and less for the pilot group!

 

[Speedtape]

FACT
Training dept. wanted to run a class of 70, but only had 23 to put in class.

RUMOR
1.Flying for Southwest and/or American...
2.C-Series aircraft 100+ seats

Source Sim instructor meeting..

Believe it when I see it....

P.S. dont kill the messenger!!

Facts not Rumor

1. Nobody will be flying for Southwest but Southwest. Take that one to the bank. Skywest will not be flying for American--they own American Eagle and contract with TranStates only through the purchase of TWA. American does not need Skywest--now or in the future.

2. C-series aircraft 100 seats--if skywest flies these, they will have to purchase them and fly them under their own brand. THIS Will not happen in any hub that they fly for Delta or United because of Scope. Didn't ACA try this once? If skywest tries to step out of their niche, the Majors will crush them like they did ACA. However, I am sure your company would like you believe this right before the final hour of the VOTE.

Source Sim Instructor meeting??? Jerry uses them as a conduit for the misinformation distribution! If Skywest was going to do this in the future, they have a duty to protect this information until there is a public announcement per SEC rules or otherwise they could go to jail.

I plan on saving these B.S. posts so that I can repost them in the future for those of you who like Fool's Gold! Shame on you for buying into this B.S.!

 

[Andy Neill]

...P.S. I voted NO on the TA because I don't believe pilots should sell themselves out for growth...from what I heard, we already had the flying either way! With the TA, it just meant more money for Skyw Inc., and less for the pilot group!

I voted no on that one too because I thought there should be a relationship between productivity and compensation.

Metaphor or not, do you get the point I was making? You can listen to each side with selective hearing and probably be disappointed even though each side is true to their statements?