American Eagle might be "set free"

[siucavflight]

Citation you have no idea what you are talking about. The only way a new owner could get around the contract is if AMR went bankrupt and then sold the company off.

 

[arthompson]

or if Eagle filled for BK and was then sold (not likely)

 

[siucavflight]

or if Eagle filled for BK and was then sold (not likely)

Yes, but like you say not likely, a bankrupt airline would sell for a lot less.

 

[CitationUltra]

Or a sale and transfer of assets, structured in such a way as to effectively abbrogate certain contracts binding only upon the signatories.

 

[arthompson]

I agree with you entirely. I was just pointing out that there is a scenario available that could cause it. If there are any senior ZW pilots on here, did the contract follow you intact when UA bought the company or in the transition from UA to CJT?

 

[siucavflight]

Or a sale and transfer of assets, structured in such a way as to effectively abbrogate certain contracts binding only upon the signatories.

It is not binding only to those that signed it. What they signed says that the contract must be sent over to any new owner. Meaning that they can not sell the airline to a new owner unless the new owner signs onto the contract as well. Sorry citation you are wrong. I am sure you are still a nice guy, but you are wrong, it is ok to admit it!

 

[arthompson]

Citation: The scenario you describe became illegal after Lorenzo used it effectivley<sp?>.

 

[Flyby1206]

You are correct that AE would be allowed to get larger A/C if they were spun off (B747 if they want) but AE could not be used on any type of codeshare/feed for AA with those larger aircraft. It would violate AA contract with AMR. Why do you think that they just didn't get CHQ or TSA to do it when they farmed the flying out to them?

I was just curious if this would be feasible since AA codeshares with Alaska on many west coast routes and they fly 737s. In essence AE would join the "oneworld alliance" and be a traditional carrier like the rest.

 

[bluesideup1]

I was just curious if this would be feasible since AA codeshares with Alaska on many west coast routes and they fly 737s. In essence AE would join the "oneworld alliance" and be a traditional carrier like the rest.

It would be incredibly difficult to get Eagle on the oneword alliance and not run a foul of AA scope clause. The last time I checked the only way to get on oneworld alliance is to be foreign carrier and they only codeshare on destinations not served by AA. (oneworld members British Air, Cathay, Finnair, Iberia, Jal, LAN, Malev, Qantas, Royal Jordanian).

Now AMR may sell some seats on Alaska (much like they did on Skywest in LAX) but it is not really a true codeshare agreement in which they provide a feeder service for AA.

My point is if someone is telling you that if Eagle was spun off and they could get larger aircraft then turn around and feed AA they would be lying. Just look at ASA who was sold off and no longer owned by Delta but are still bound by the Delta pilots scope clause. Same goes with Expressjet they cannot get larger A/C and turn around and sell their service to Continental for feed.

The only way that Eagle would want to get larger A/C is to either find a company that would allow these A/C to be used for feed or just buy them and start doing your own lift via point to point or hub and spoke (just like Independence Air did).

 

[spacecadet1]

I told you about this before the recent talk from Horton. This WILL happen. But the devil is in the details. Will AMR shop fora cheaper provider? Mesa comes to mind; J.O. was seen at Centerport recently.

 

[spacecadet1]

I told you this would happen. Look for AMR to shop for lowest bidder, like for ex. Mesa (J.O. will be visiting Centerport soon).

 

[spacecadet1]

Also look for large sale of equipment from eagle to some chinese regional which operates out of Hong Kong.

 

[siucavflight]

I told you about this before the recent talk from Horton. This WILL happen. But the devil is in the details. Will AMR shop fora cheaper provider? Mesa comes to mind; J.O. was seen at Centerport recently.

How would Mesa do it while they are loosing 120 pilots per month, unable to staff their UAL sid out of ORD and moving their flying to China?

And spacedork what is with your hardon for eagle? Here are all of your post made while at FI.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/search.php?searchid=1536847

 

[labbats]

Also look for large sale of equipment from eagle to some chinese regional which operates out of Hong Kong.

No wait! Wait! This just in Eagle to fly dog poo twice a week to Cleveland!

Take a breath and step away from the computer. That third post in a row may give you something to discuss with your shrink on Tuesday.

 

[siucavflight]

Also look for large sale of equipment from eagle to some chinese regional which operates out of Hong Kong.

And then we are going to buy Cessna 310s with extended range tanks for non stop flights to ICT