ATA stopping all Scheduled service soon?

[roughneck]

I just read on the SWAPA forum that rumor has it ATA is stopping all scheduled service in the next two months. Anyone else heard this?

Maybe this has something to do with SWA's "big announcement????"

 

[A-Track]

Not sure of that, but I know they had a big auction last week to sell alot of there heavy check tooling and stuff.

 

[roughneck]

CAUTION: RUMOR and OPINION ONLY!!!!

I just heard that this may be part of our new "Extreme Makeover SWA Edition"

We may be taking the Hawaii and Mexico stuff in exchange for a substantial International (read=Europe) codeshare. GK has said many times recently that we are tweaking our product to attract the business traveler and that we will have substantial positive changes to our "Rapid Rewards" program in the 4th quarter as a result of this.

Maybe the business guy not only wants to charge his laptop at the gate, but maybe he wants to take his wife to Hawaii or Mexico on free tickets.

 

[ATA For Now!]

We are leaving LGA and DCA. The CO says they can't make any $$ there and with the high demand for charter on the 737's, they can re-deploy them to a profitable market. (maybe South/Central America)

They are also getting MNPS qual and ops specs for Europe and North Atlantic ops on the 737. Shouldn't be too hard since we already have 180 ETPOS on tem to Hawaii.

Hawaii and Int'l ops remain unchaged. Also, per our COO's latest msg, International ops to expand through 2009. We may actually be getting additional DC-10's although that changes by the day.

Remember, the ride only hurts if you get off before it's over!

RV

 

[get2flyin]

Checked out an ATA L1011 at the gate DFW yesterday. Wow. That thing is awesome!

 

[atafan]

I believe that ATA cancelled the service for at least two reasons.

1. It's not as profitable as some of the non-sched we will deploy the aircraft to soon. ATA will then re-deploy these same aircraft to scheduled Int'l service for SWA later in 2009.

2. These routes were draining some of the Islip and BWI seats from SWA so it wasn't doing SWA much codeshare good anyways.

BIG PICTURE ( I believe)
ATA will be the Int'l arm for SWA in the near future. SWA and GAL will have to come to some agreement with SWAPA and ATA ALPA but this Int'l codeshare will continue and grow rapidly once it begins. SWAPA and ATA ALPA pilots will both greatly benefit from this.

This whole topic is not being addressed much but this arrangement will rock the industry once fully implemented.

IMHO

 

[Pilotbob3]

Its Game Over for ATA.

 

[vixin]

Herb and the General from what I heard orchesrated the GAL deal. Any truth to this NAA, ATA or World guys? A bud of mine at NAA and on the union side told me this. Makes you wonder what else was agreed to.

 

[sayagain?]

Its Game Over for ATA.

Glad to see that you wish only the best for ATA.:angryfire

 

[JJET44]

NAA management keeps asurring that the GAL deal was created to corner the market with the DOD contracts.

BUT WHAT DOES MANAGEMENT EVER KNOW!!!!

 

[Pilotbob3]

Glad to see that you wish only the best for ATA.:angryfire

Just stating a fact with no emotion. Sorry I wasn't PC enough for you with the standard cliche's.

 

[atafan]

Herb and the General from what I heard orchesrated the GAL deal. Any truth to this NAA, ATA or World guys?

I heard this second hand.

One of the World board members, a retired General, told ATA's MEC chairman that Herb was consulted on the deal with the investors. I believe that this happened but I can't draw any lines that might link SWA directly to the deal. This could mean that the investors wanted to know more of the codeshare deal before the investors ponied up the dough to seal the World acquisition. Herb might have only been consulted regarding this issue, we may never know the facts.

 

[atafan]

Its Game Over for ATA.

Just stating the facts are you?

Here are the facts. Gal which is ATA-World and NAA own over 75% of all the military charter business. I must inform you that this business operates on at least a 10% profit margin and is not influenced by the cost of fuel. Global is now the largest charter airline in the world, this sector is booming. ATA has an exclusive codeshare with one of the, if not the strongest airline in the USA. This business is scheduled to rapidly expand in around a year from now.

Is everything peaches and cream at ATA, of course not but far from over my happy go lucky friend.

 

[ATA For Now!]

Don't waste your time with "BOB". He most likely follows the "gear up, head down" checklist with a name like that.....pilotbob...that's what he does!

I love it when people spout off without having a clue!

As far as HK's participation in the deal, he was a part of the team that put it together. Why? Who knows. Maybe there is something bigger and better for all of us (NAA, ATA, WLD and WN) down the road...


RV

 

[vixin]

Maybe WN, ATA, WLD and NAA get the order right. Just kidding!

 

[njcapt]

Just stating a fact with no emotion. Sorry I wasn't PC enough for you with the standard cliche's.

Don't feed the troll, Boys. Click on this yahoo's User Name and look at the nature of his posts over just the past couple of weeks. He lives to twist the tit$ of other pilots.

Just to add content to this thread, I believe that SWA had material input into the deal. They've been in bed with Matlin-Patterson since the original bankruptcy financing deal and have a vested interest in ensuring that ATA stays healthy enough to make it until they can utilize them for South American, Canadian, and Caribbean feed. I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope on them doing any European heavy lifting. That would most likely go to NA with their widebodies.

 

[LeonPhelps]

Just stating the facts are you?

Here are the facts. Gal which is ATA-World and NAA own over 75% of all the military charter business. I must inform you that this business operates on at least a 10% profit margin and is not influenced by the cost of fuel. Global is now the largest charter airline in the world, this sector is booming. ATA has an exclusive codeshare with one of the, if not the strongest airline in the USA. This business is scheduled to rapidly expand in around a year from now.

I disagree. I think the military charter business will see a reduction (not shutdown) as the drawdown in Iraq continues. This timeline will only be shortened if a Democrat (Hillary) gets elected. IMHO.

 

[puddlejumper101]

WN has something up their sleeve...if anyone can hit a homerun with this it's SWA MGMT. There is not a move they make that is not ananlyzed. They see $$$ somehwere and I feel it.

 

[JJET44]

WN has something up their sleeve...if anyone can hit a homerun with this it's SWA MGMT. There is not a move they make that is not ananlyzed. They see $$$ somehwere and I feel it.

Well of course SWA will WN in this deal.
SWA will sell the tickets and keep at least 20% of that ticket price with no overhead.
I'm just finishing up with my 135 gig and we have brokers who book trips on our Lears for let's say $4000. After they pay us, they're pocketing $1100, just for booking that trip on some other companies' jet.

 

[ATA For Now!]

Well of course SWA will WN in this deal.
SWA will sell the tickets and keep at least 20% of that ticket price with no overhead.
I'm just finishing up with my 135 gig and we have brokers who book trips on our Lears for let's say $4000. After they pay us, they're pocketing $1100, just for booking that trip on some other companies' jet.

Yea....but that's not how codeshare revenue distribution works. It's based on a formula (a pretty industry standard one) of how many miles the total trip is and how many the pax is on each airplane. In other words, if someone goes from ABQ to PHX to HNL on WN/ATA, the longer leg is the PHX HNL part thus ATA would get a larger share of the total ticket price. Conversely, if the PAX went LAX-MDW(wn)- LGA(ATA), WN would get the larger part.

RV