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The thing is, that no one has yet given me any reason why we need a union except "the grass may be greener at a union regional."

There is allot of information out there, that it seems you haven't heard. will you take respinsbility and seek out that information?



And if we need a union, why does it have to be ALPA?

When you accpet responsibility for your education on career protection you find that ALPA is already making your life and career better. Why not give to the organization that you are getting career protection from..

Oh well... politics, religion, and unions...

-Goose

unions are poitics... it s your career. you can shrug it off and stick your head in the sand or you can be an active participant in your career. Free Will.
 
Goose, You are an FO now correct? If and when you upgrade to Captain would you want ALPA or SAPA representing you?

You know, I actually hadn't thought about it that way. You make good point, and oddly enough, my choice suprises me when you put it in that context.

At your Alaska, Delta, Continental, United, Fedex, Etc. Interview someday there is a good chance you'll get asked this by an Interview Captain... "I see you were at SkyWest during the ALPA drive. Did you participate and were you an ALPA supporter then?"

I would say that yes, I participated in making myself informed on the issue (which is what I'm in the process of doing now,) and made the best decision I could with the information that I had available to me, which is what I intend to do.

And I'd be very surprised if I ever got an interview offer from Delta.

USCTrojan said:
We start out on a career path hoping for that illustrious "heavy int'l flying" (or insert dreamjob here), but things don't always work out the way we want it to. To put it short, Life Happens. Families grow, economics change, and numerous other variables happen that I will just categorize as "life."

Very true, and I'm not saying that it won't happen to me. Personally, I really don't care about "heavy int'l flying." But yes, life definitely does happen, and I can't really predict what will happen. I don't know what to say about it except that's the risk we all run... But it's not going to keep me from making the attempt. And who knows, maybe ALPA is what is needed to make SKW a "career" airline. I'd just like to get some facts rather than the propaganda that seems to abound. That's all I'm trying to say.

Anyway, I think I'm done posting about this until I can get my hands on some real information. Then I'll be able to speak about this in a more intelligent manner. If anyone has any good factual resources they'd like to share, I'm all ears. Dang, where's a town meeting when you need one. :)


-Goose
 
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"I don't care. I just want to get my time and get out. A union can't help me."

If that's true then I guess you vote for a union in your last job. One question...How do you know it's your last job?

Apathy is management's tool. Vote yes, Vote no .. doesn't matter JUST VOTE!!!
 
Would SkyWest hiring Ford and Harrison be an example of the "best practices" concept in airline mergers and acquisitions?
 
Over the last couple of months I have been seriously debating over the vote for or against ALPA. I have been to the free lunches offered and have spoken to many of the organizing members. I also have a negative experience with unions from my last job. I can honestly say that I have been on the fence since the inception of the union drive.

I am a new hire (7months) and had to deal with the chief pilot (RG) on couple issues and he has been very professional and helpful towards my needs. I recently flew with a captain (AA) who is an OC member and i really respected his opinion on the whole culture here at OO. I believe that unions are necessities at some companies and not really required at other companies. The OC member i flew with simply asked me if my career was worth the risk of voting no and if I would trust SAPA to protect my needs.

I will be voting for the union this week.
 
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......Much of the communication that's purportedly from management has been shown to have actually originated with Ford & Harrison...........


That's only partially true. The scumbags at F & H work hand in hand with public relations firms like Golin Harris et al. Here's a sample of the sort of work they do:

International Shipping Company - Labor Negotiations


Situation

An international shipping company faced a major labor dispute. Contract negotiations between the company and
the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA) were grid locked. The ALPA planned to strike during the critical holiday
season, which would seriously impact the company’s operations and lead to a significant loss of revenue.

Strategy

Our team employed Personal Values Profiles® (PVP), a proprietary qualitative technique,
to gain in-depth knowledge of the pilots’ sentiment and viewpoint – and to identify areas
where effective communication could lead to a favorable conclusion to the contract
negotiations. After a series of pilot interviews, the team identified a key finding: the
pilots were not united. In fact, there was a group of pro-company pilots, who sought to
undermine serious contract talks.

Tactics/Results

Based on that key finding and other valuable information, we identified a senior
executive with extensive piloting experience to act as the key communicator, delivering
corporate messages to the pilots. We also arranged several meetings with pilots,
fostering an informal environment, enabling executives to spend time listening to pilot
grievances and share their thoughts about the direction of the company. This setting
also allowed pro-company pilots to speak out and influence certain key ALPA members.
Our results proved the success of the PVP® strategy. Pro-company pilots won the support of other pilots and
spurred an anti-union sentiment. ALPA withdrew its plan to strike and a favorable contract was negotiated.
 
To all of you who are hoping for a quick upgrade or to get on with a regional and move on quickly, you do realize that the age 65 rule is coming right? And you also realize that will pretty much mean a 5 year seat lock right?

Just keep that in mind when voting time comes.
 
Don't worry, I'm using my brain. And as far as I've been able to detect, both sides have valid points... and both sides have some not-so-valid points. I'm not pro-union, and I'm not pro-company either. I'm pro-career (mine), and so far, I'm not convinced that either side has my best interests at heart. SKW to me is a good place to get in, get my time, and get the freak out. The only thing that appears to be threatening that plan right now is ALPA. I'm not saying that my mind is made up either way, but it does make one think.

-Goose

Where you gonna go when you get your time and get the "freak out"? To a union carrier?
 
Goose,

I'm still waiting for an answer.


Don't hold your breath. That sort of attitude is becoming even more prevalent in our pay-to-play industry. "What's best for me?" will continue to be music to management's ears for the foreseeable future.
 

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