APAAD Age 60 UPDATE 06 October 2007

[Occam's Razor]

It is immensely frustrating to have come so far only to bog down within a stone's throw from the finish line,

Nominee: Most Ironic Quote EVER!


The effort is "bogged down" just like the careers of younger pilots would be bogged down by pilots attempting to stick around longer than they should!

Losing 50 pilots a week, there really is no other choice.

50?

YESSSSS!

Keep in mind, you've been moving up because of that process!

Our co-sponsor total in the House/Senate is 306/49.

Ha! Not quite! Your math is wrong. There are sponsors who support the Reauthorization Bill...but don't support your plan. Example: My hero and my congressman: James Oberstar.

One senior congressman's lead staffer was in tears over the plight of a United Captain, a constituent of her boss.

Yeah...my wife gets like that for a few days every month too...

The entire California delegation, as a group, has discussed this issue.

Holy Misleading Statements, Batman!

"Discussed" don't mean "endorses" or "will vote for".

Oberstar has been contacted, repeatedly, by Senatorial offices and numerous House reps.

...and by lobbyists and informed constituents, like me!

Looks like you don't hold the sway I do!

Neener! Neener!

...he remains dug in: He will not allow this issue to be removed from FAA Reauthorization (H.R. 2881).

(sniff) I wuv him!

One of the single most damaging problems is that ALPA stepped back from this issue. I know many of you have some serious issues with ALPA based on what happened with your pensions, paychecks, etc. However, ALPA is a huge part of how quickly this moves in Congress. Like it or not, ALPA continues to hold sway on your life. ALPA was positively involved. However, ALPA stepped back from a p roacti ve stance in July.

Wow! You mean ALPA is acting the way a MAJORITY of it's membership wants it to?

**Those of you who are ALPA need to redouble your efforts re ALPA.

Wilco! I'm sending another "Atta Boy!" to my MEC Chairman....who is strongly opposed to any change to Age 60...just like most ALPA members.

Amazingly, one of those pilots was at APAAD member SWA Captain Tony Lorber's retirement reception this week.

Buh Bye, Tony! Blue skies, brother! Enjoy the retirement you knew would happen waaaay back when you entered this profession! I wish you health and happiness.

How many APAAD guys/gals have been to a Blitz or two, only to vanish. Where are you people? Are you at least writing a check? If not, why not?

Alzheimers? Demetia? Other priorities? Ethical re-awakening? [Choose One]

**We need help. As we lose pilots we lose effectiveness.

Is this a great country...or what!

One man. That's what stands in our way.

MY man! Jimmy Rocks! Woo Hoo! You go, Jimbo! Keep up the good work!

 

[Falconjet]

What a ******************************bag! I'm going to send him an email promising him a bunch of money and support and then yell:

NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy early birthday Foxhunter.

Too bad you may have a shot to come back to a window sea thanks to the efforts of our beloved MEC. Now there is a train wreck.

FJ

 

[PsubS]

Wah wah wah!

Refreshing...all this hatred for guys trying to change an obsolete rule.

It's all about greed, guys. You think the "Old Guys" are being greedy because they want to keep their jobs in the face of a changed industry.

They think you, the "Young Guys" are similarly greedy for wanting to move up now, now, now for your share of the pie.

Both sides are equally greedy, men. What matters is what is the correct stance to take given:
-Icao's decision to allow pilots to fly up to 65
-a very different environment for all pilots, and not just the old ones.

Go ahead, stay greedy. Everybody is. It's in our nature. Won't change a thing. This rule is like a train that has left the station. The only question is "what time does it arrive?" But arrive it will!

More important, bitch away like bitter people with nothing left to do except gripe. After all, that is indeed all you have left.

By the way, the rule is going to change whether you like it or not, whether you gripe or not, or whether you live or die tomorrow. All you guys are doing now is to vent, carp and piss & moan about the change until it happens.

Why don't you do something more constructive with your time, like throw the ball with your kid?

 

[eaglefly]

Refreshing...all this hatred for guys trying to change an obsolete rule.

It's all about greed, guys. You think the "Old Guys" are being greedy because they want to keep their jobs in the face of a changed industry.

They think you, the "Young Guys" are similarly greedy for wanting to move up now, now, now for your share of the pie.

Both sides are equally greedy, men. What matters is what is the correct stance to take given:
-Icao's decision to allow pilots to fly up to 65
-a very different environment for all pilots, and not just the old ones.

Go ahead, stay greedy. Everybody is. It's in our nature. Won't change a thing. This rule is like a train that has left the station. The only question is "what time does it arrive?" But arrive it will!

More important, bitch away like bitter people with nothing left to do except gripe. After all, that is indeed all you have left.

By the way, the rule is going to change whether you like it or not, whether you gripe or not, or whether you live or die tomorrow. All you guys are doing now is to vent, carp and piss & moan about the change until it happens.

Why don't you do something more constructive with your time, like throw the ball with your kid?

You miss an important part of the SWA group (your group, I'm assuming).

When they we're the "young guys" they said nothing about changing the rules because that would have impeded their advancement.

It's only now that THEY are the old guys, that they want to change the rules. Thankfully, it'll be another year or two before the change kicks in and at least some of the poor bastards will get stiffed as the rule does not allow rehiring if you've passed the age. They couldn't go back if they wanted to because the rest of the greedy bastards below them won't allow it.

By the way, for Southwest pilots the industry HAS NOT changed for the worse in the last 10 years, but for the better.

Perhaps that why they cannot help themselves to another slice of greed.....................


The mantras of the modern day senior Southwest airline pilot................"Every man for himself" and "do onto others, then split".

I love it.

 

[nightrider]

As our pilots approach retirement many grow discouraged or begin seeking new employment. Funding and involvement slows/stops. Very understandable. As our pilots retire, their focus shifts entirely. Also very understandable.


This says it all, as they retire, they don't care anymore which as I have said many times means "if it doesn't benefit me then I don't care" selfish, sorry, self centered individuals.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

You miss an important part of the SWA group (your group, I'm assuming).

When they we're the "young guys" they said nothing about changing the rules because that would have impeded their advancement.

It's only now that THEY are the old guys, that they want to change the rules. Thankfully, it'll be another year or two before the change kicks in and at least some of the poor bastards will get stiffed as the rule does not allow rehiring if you've passed the age. They couldn't go back if they wanted to because the rest of the greedy bastards below them won't allow it.

By the way, for Southwest pilots the industry HAS NOT changed for the worse in the last 10 years, but for the better.

Perhaps that why they cannot help themselves to another slice of greed.....................


The mantras of the modern day senior Southwest airline pilot................"Every man for himself" and "do onto others, then split".

I love it.

You are obviuously ill-informed or choose to ignore facts. Most who are heavily involved changing this rule have been involved since their 40's. Many continue to work for change even though they have already turned 60. They believe in the principle that this rule is wrong.

 

[HoursHore]

Refreshing...all this hatred for guys trying to change an obsolete rule.

It's all about greed, guys. You think the "Old Guys" are being greedy because they want to keep their jobs in the face of a changed industry.

They think you, the "Young Guys" are similarly greedy for wanting to move up now, now, now for your share of the pie.

Both sides are equally greedy, men. What matters is what is the correct stance to take given:
-Icao's decision to allow pilots to fly up to 65
-a very different environment for all pilots, and not just the old ones.

Go ahead, stay greedy. Everybody is. It's in our nature. Won't change a thing. This rule is like a train that has left the station. The only question is "what time does it arrive?" But arrive it will!

More important, bitch away like bitter people with nothing left to do except gripe. After all, that is indeed all you have left.

By the way, the rule is going to change whether you like it or not, whether you gripe or not, or whether you live or die tomorrow. All you guys are doing now is to vent, carp and piss & moan about the change until it happens.

Why don't you do something more constructive with your time, like throw the ball with your kid?

Is it not more greedy to want more pie after having a lifetime of Pie?

Out of the way baby boomer. Your less than best generation has had its time, now off to the nursing home.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Refreshing...all this hatred for guys trying to change an obsolete rule.

It's all about greed, guys. You think the "Old Guys" are being greedy because they want to keep their jobs in the face of a changed industry.

They think you, the "Young Guys" are similarly greedy for wanting to move up now, now, now for your share of the pie.

Both sides are equally greedy, men. What matters is what is the correct stance to take given:
-Icao's decision to allow pilots to fly up to 65
-a very different environment for all pilots, and not just the old ones.

Go ahead, stay greedy. Everybody is. It's in our nature. Won't change a thing. This rule is like a train that has left the station. The only question is "what time does it arrive?" But arrive it will!

More important, bitch away like bitter people with nothing left to do except gripe. After all, that is indeed all you have left.

By the way, the rule is going to change whether you like it or not, whether you gripe or not, or whether you live or die tomorrow. All you guys are doing now is to vent, carp and piss & moan about the change until it happens.

Why don't you do something more constructive with your time, like throw the ball with your kid?

I hope the rule changes when I am 59. Does that make me greedy?

Greedy like you?

 

[Andy]

I oppose a change to age 60, but if it must change, it needs to be phased in. For instance, increase the retirement by three months per year. At least that would limit the windfall to a small group of pilots based on their age. It would also allow advancement to continue, albeit at a slower rate.
My resistance to phased in change would be much less than a sudden change, as proposed.

Of course, I'm sure that the concept of a phased-in change on my part is merely viewed by those who are looking for a windfall as greed on my part. uke:

 

[mdf]

I oppose a change to age 60, but if it must change, it needs to be phased in. For instance, increase the retirement by three months per year. At least that would limit the windfall to a small group of pilots based on their age. It would also allow advancement to continue, albeit at a slower rate.
My resistance to phased in change would be much less than a sudden change, as proposed.

Of course, I'm sure that the concept of a phased-in change on my part is merely viewed by those who are looking for a windfall as greed on my part. uke:

I was thinking 1 year for every 5 years you benefited from the current rule. So if you were hired at 45, and got 15 years in, you could go to age 62. If you were able to put in 25 years, or more than age 60.