Delta, one shot deal?

[LARRY H. JUNIOR]

is delta still a one shot deal? interviewed 5/2001, did not get the conditonal. is it still a one shot deal?

no second interviews?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It depends on why you got shot down. If it was for the Cog, I would think that they may let you take it again. If it was for the psyche, medical, or the interview portion, as of today it is a one shot deal.

 

[motch]

ACL is dead on...

I've tried getting some answers after being turned down. Told I failed the interview. Told I can never re-apply.

Written a few letters and have had friends (DAL Pilots~) look into it for me also.. no dice.

It's unfortunate. 3 individuals who don't know you get to decide your faith after a 45min interview compared to x amount of recommendations (Again, DAL Pilots~) who have known you for upwards of 10 years!

I don't buy into the fable that there is a pilot shortage. If there were, there would not be a policy as 'one shot deal'.

Goodluck
Always...

 

[Wicked-Picket]

ACL is dead on...

I've tried getting some answers after being turned down. Told I failed the interview. Told I can never re-apply.

Written a few letters and have had friends (DAL Pilots~) look into it for me also.. no dice.

It's unfortunate. 3 individuals who don't know you get to decide your faith after a 45min interview compared to x amount of recommendations (Again, DAL Pilots~) who have known you for upwards of 10 years!

I don't buy into the fable that there is a pilot shortage. If there were, there would not be a policy as 'one shot deal'.

Goodluck
Always...

First thing is to get a lawyer. Noone has the right to decide your faith. That is unconstitutional!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I know of one individual that did get a lawyer. It did not do him any good. Delta Legal has their hands all over this hiring process. I think that the policy change of a one shot deal is bogus. I have heard rumblings that it may go away, but I would venture to guess that it will be years down the road. From what I understand there are 12000 apps and delta sees about 2000 as interview-able. I have no idea what that mean it is just what I have been told. I am not sure if that is all that they have gone through, but it was the number that I was given. Needless to say Delta knows that they will not have a shortage of applications in the near term. Things are looking up and they know that they can be picky given their hiring practices as well as pool of applicants.

 

[adubya]

I busted my cog test first time...got another interview...it's like they understand that people mess that up. I think messing up the interview is much harder to overcome though. For all the guys out there...DO INTERVIEW PREP! Many folks think they sound good but probably don't...especially if you haven't done it in a while...if you're "current" on interviewing you're probably good to go. Prep doesn't necessarily have to be with an aviation professional but it will sure help. HR types can help you develop a system to answering your interview questions...as pilots we tend to say a lot of stupid things in our efforts to tell a TMAAT story or try to answer difficult situations in our past. It's not a BS session at the bar after a flight or down at the grass strip...it's a first impression and a way for them to see what they are getting. I'm no gynecologist here but I have witnessed several REALLY good dudes not get in due to the interview...common theme was that none did interview prep. The COG testers got another shot. Good luck!

 

[Noserider76]

I busted my cog test first time...got another interview...

Hope you got the job, we need more Herc guys here. Take care.

 

[bouttime]

YOU are not ENTITLED to a job. It does not belong to you. Companies may hire whoever they want. Don't waste your time with a lawyer.

 

[Truckdriver]

YOU are not ENTITLED to a job. It does not belong to you. Companies may hire whoever they want. Don't waste your time with a lawyer.

Unless they deny you due to the medical. If you can get a first class medical, they can't deny you employment based on the medical screening they do even if it is after the conditional offer. I understand everything they do except the medical part. I don't think they should do the cog test or the psych, but I understand why they do and I see how they can legally deny you a job based on those.

 

[adubya]

thanks nose...got it!

 

[Bluto]

Guys, relax, I'm pretty sure the lawyer comment was a joke aimed at the guy who suggested that the interview board determined his "faith". I think he meant "fate".

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree with the recommendation for a good prep. The questions are not hard. They really are straight forward. One or two may come with a curve, but nothing that is designed to make you fail. Make sure that you have good logic for all of the decisions that you present, and back them up if they question you. Make sure that there is a beginning a middle and an end to all of your stories. Make sure that there is something positive, and keep in mind Safety, Customer service, and Efficiency in that order. If you can do that you will probably be successful in the interview.
I also know a lot of really good people that did not pass one of the four phases. God knows why, because they are some of the best pilots and individuals I know. There is some sort of secret, but with all the parts independent of each other it is kind of had to catch a common theme amongst those that were not successful.

 

[FlyingGuy]

Having just done it the policy is if you fail the testing portion but pass the interview you can come back in 6 months to re-take the tests. If you don't pass the interview you can NEVER come back and try again.

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Guys, relax, I'm pretty sure the lawyer comment was a joke aimed at the guy who suggested that the interview board determined his "faith". I think he meant "fate".

Bluto, thanks man ! My apologies to Gilda Radnor!

 

[ultrarunner]

ACL is dead on...

I've tried getting some answers after being turned down. Told I failed the interview. Told I can never re-apply.

Man, that sounds like a MASSIVE HR snafu. WHAT on earth would an HR organization of a company like Delta have to gain with actually telling an applicant WHAT portion of the interview they failed or WHY they were NOT being hired.

Geez...this is HR 101...you apply, you interview, THEN you either get a phone call or you get a FLUSH letter.

Simple as that, and NO need, WHATSOEVER, for the company to communicate ANYTHING else!

 

[rf285]

Man, that sounds like a MASSIVE HR snafu. WHAT on earth would an HR organization of a company like Delta have to gain with actually telling an applicant WHAT portion of the interview they failed or WHY they were NOT being hired.

Geez...this is HR 101...you apply, you interview, THEN you either get a phone call or you get a FLUSH letter.

Simple as that, and NO need, WHATSOEVER, for the company to communicate ANYTHING else!

Why not? At least they let you know where you stand. No guessing games. CAL and DAL exceed in this area and both are very stand up operations. Others simply are not.

 

[f15popeye]

Oct 4th Delta Interview Results

Gents and Ladies, I just returned from the 4 October Delta interview. Got a conditional job offer, I am extremely fortunate. There were 8 of us and only 2 of us got an offer. Some guys busted the tests and at least 1 guy busted the interview. The 2 of us that made it were: mil (me) and an ASA Capt civilian. Common thread was we were the only two of the eight that both used Aaron Hagan and Emerald Coast Interview Consulting. Absolutely TOP NOTCH PREP for totally diverse backgrounds. His ad runs in the middle top of this website. Best money I've spent in a long time. There were some highly qualified sharp guys that day I was surprised didn't make it. 15+ year line check airman at Eagle and Comair for starters. Sharp young Viper driver as well. Bottom line do whatever you can to prep for this, I highly recommend Emerald Coast Interview prep for starters. Good luck.

 

[captain caveman]

I highly recommend Emerald Coast Interview prep for starters. Good luck.

Congrats, and I agree with you on this. They helped me get the job too.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Thanx 4 this info. I was hoping for a DAL interview, but I had one in 1991, and got turned down. My next airline interview wasn't 'til 2001.

I now have 5 more years of flying experience, and my 1000 PIC. I thought I had a good shot at DAL. I'll move on and not worry about them not calling me again.

Good luck to you!

cliff
YIP

 

[John Pennekamp]

I don't buy into the fable that there is a pilot shortage. If there were, there would not be a policy as 'one shot deal'.

There is only a pilot shortage at the regionals. The "legacy" carriers are flush with tens of thousands starry eyed RJ captains ready for their shot at the big time.

If there truly was a real pilot shortage, interviews wouldn't be as picky, first year pay would be higher, and cost of living (hotels, per diem) would be provided while in training.

When you see all of that change, then the "pilot shortage" has hit.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Here's one airline's example of how the pilot shortage is affecting them:
Emirates WAS one shot.
They also didn't hire pilots over age 57.
They also didn't allow pilots to fly past age 60.
They didn't hire street captains unless they had a type rating and extensive experience in the aircraft the applicant was going to fly.

Now, you can re-apply after a year, there is no age limit to be hired, you can fly to age 65, and they will hire street captains with no heavy or international experience, much less a type rating in the particular aircraft.

Here's another:
I wasn't going to apply at SWA, because they required 1300 PIC Turbine. They suddenly changed it to 1000, and I applied as I was now qualified.

There IS a pilot shortage, and it affects all the airlines and all the pilots. That being said, it affects each airline differently. Alaska still requires that all interviewees are non-tobacco users, but, on the other hand, DAL is interviewing WAY more civilian pilots than previously-that was NOT in their current hiring plan.

cliff
YIP

 

[Jmoney]

Emirates?

Who the hell wants to work for those fools? They wear diapers on their heads!
-Just damn

-Don't care what they pay-you will never see my pink butt there.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Jmoney: If by "diapers" are you are thinking of a turban? There are a lot of Americans who mistakingly think that lots of Muslims wear turbans.

Most turban wearers are from India/Pakistan, and aren't Muslim, or they are female cancer patients.

Have a nice day!
cliff
YIP

 

[Jmoney]

Turbans, diapers, whatever

I don't care what you call them, they are middle eastern, they are a-holes, they all can suck it dry! These people are a scourge and I will not ever stoop to the level of accepting employment at Emirates!

-They can keep their money!

 

[737 Pylt]

Man, that sounds like a MASSIVE HR snafu. WHAT on earth would an HR organization of a company like Delta have to gain with actually telling an applicant WHAT portion of the interview they failed or WHY they were NOT being hired.

Geez...this is HR 101...you apply, you interview, THEN you either get a phone call or you get a FLUSH letter.

Simple as that, and NO need, WHATSOEVER, for the company to communicate ANYTHING else!

Ultrarunner:
While I'm no big fan of our hiring practices, I think that its fair to tell the applicant what he/she did wrong! I know guys who have interviewed at Southwest 4 times and didn't make it. Why not tell them what they need to work on, or improve on so as not to waste any more of their or your time!?
I don't agree with our policy if you "bust" the personal interview that you shouldn't get another chance. I know of a good guy, good flight time, former employee, and a NY native! Why wouldn't they let the guy have a second chance? I think it sucks!
Good luck to everyone applying. There are good things coming down the road here!

737

 

[igneousy2]

I am not sure why they are telling you if you failed the cog or the intervier, however, federal law requires employers to give a conditional offer prior to requiring a physical examination and prior to pulling a credit report. The law also requires that once you are given a conditional offer and a medical done and/or your credit pulled, that you must be informed as to the reason if the offer is later withdrawn.

 

[regionalcap]

I am not sure why they are telling you if you failed the cog or the intervier, however, federal law requires employers to give a conditional offer prior to requiring a physical examination and prior to pulling a credit report. The law also requires that once you are given a conditional offer and a medical done and/or your credit pulled, that you must be informed as to the reason if the offer is later withdrawn.

They tell you because it determines your ability to reapply. If you fail the cog test, you can reinterview. If you fail the interview, then you are done. You have to know if you are able to be considered again. They don't tell you why you failed the interview.

 

[Wicked-Picket]

Well, one reason that DAL's HR might want to tell someone in what area they are deficient, is because they are inept and it has cost them settlement money in the past. Some of these folks are not trained in this area. One guy I know, who was ultra qualified, was turned down last time they were hiring, because of a personal bankruptcy. ( ironic, considering recent history). Anyway, they had the wrong guy, and he sued, they relented, offered him a job or damages, but he chose to go to SWA. In another case where the applicant was a woman, they asked some inappropriate questions, prior to turning her down. While it seems unbelievable that a major Corporation would be so amatuerish, remember that a number of those in the selection process are simply Line/Management wannabe Pilots, most of whom are not known for their social skills. Give it your best shot, but get any inside recommendations that you can. I know a guy who went around to every base in the system and introduced himself to the CP or his assistant, and even took a few to lunch. When he applied, they stepped up like he was a long lost cousin!
A few years ago they solicited input from regular line guys about revamping and making more realistic, the hiring process. I don't think that they implemented it, due to territorial disputes between some of the more power hungry ladder climbers.
Give it your best, and remember that you are as good as these guy's, and the only difference is that they got hired before you!

 

[spongebob]

Why DAL?

In my humble opinion, you should NEVER peg your life to getting hired at ONE place. DAL is no special place. You may have always wanted to fly there or maybe you want to fly international out of Atlanta...get over it and re-adjust your sights, get hired by someone else. There are many great companies out there and who knows, in the end they may end up merging with DAL and you can do like some of the AWA guys and get seniority in front of some DAL Captain who has been there 20 years...You just never know.
Motch happens to be a great guy and will probably end up somewhere like FEDEX making way more than he would have at DAL; if you are a pilot that is half decent and easy to get along with, you too will bounce back and land in greener pastures.

(as for the "one shot deal" policy, I have not seen it in writing and I even know someone who tanked the interview in 2000 and was hired in 2001. Maybe it has changed???)

SB

 

[ACL65PILOT]

From my understanding it changed this time around.