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Nightrain_080

Nightrain_080

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skywest new skedplus+ with all new fliers and a fancy booklet to let you know how you will get bent over, again and again.

Thoughts on this new QOL destroyer and the supposed 90 day trial?
 
indianboy7 said:
how can y'all bitch about something you have no experience with????
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In my experience, the average pilot will bitch about...well...just about anything. There are some that I truly believe I could put a $100 bill in their hand and they'd bitch about it not being a crisp, new bill.

And, of course, average amount of bitching is amplified by 50 times when posting on FI.

Just calling it like I see it... :)

And to think I opened this hoping to read a good "I crapped my pants today..." story.
 
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indianboy7 said:
how can y'all bitch about something you have no experience with????
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the same way they can praise something they have no experience with..... re: alpa
 
Nightrain_080 said:
...Thoughts on this new QOL destroyer and the supposed 90 day trial?
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Have you heard something? I'm hoping it might actually help it a little. I haven't figured out how it might hurt.

Thoughts?
 
AWACO said:
How exactly will this hurt QOL?
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Precisely.

So Nightrain_080, was it just management bashing (not entirely undeserved, mind you) or do you see a way it might be bad?
 
How does it hurt QOL? Everybody has been complaining about not being able to drop trips unless you pick one up for equal or greater credit. Now we can and it's a drop in QOL? Sure the FO's won't get any trips dropped (since there are no reserve FO's); but being so fat on captains they should have no problem dropping trips.
 
It should only hurt QOL for reserves who will become more firmly everyone else's whipping boys and girls. There's nothing wrong with schedplus+ (still don't know how to pronounce that bad boy) except that it only works when the Co. is fat which they rarely are, (but conveniently happen to be now...). There is no transparency in the system as the Co. decides what "adequate" reserve staffing is on a continual basis so, until they give us some information and guarantees as to reserve staffing requirements, it's a pretty soft benefit.

IMO, I think CA's will see a substantial improvement until our staffing situation normalizes, which will probably happen shortly after the union vote is over.
 
Bluto said:
It should only hurt QOL for reserves who will become more firmly everyone else's whipping boys and girls. There's nothing wrong with schedplus+ (still don't know how to pronounce that bad boy) except that it only works when the Co. is fat which they rarely are, (but conveniently happen to be now...). There is no transparency in the system as the Co. decides what "adequate" reserve staffing is on a continual basis so, until they give us some information and guarantees as to reserve staffing requirements, it's a pretty soft benefit.

IMO, I think CA's will see a substantial improvement until our staffing situation normalizes, which will probably happen shortly after the union vote is over.
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Exactly Bluto. How often are we "properly staffed"? Some of us have finally got vacation approved after 15-20 denials due to staffing.

Skediplus will only be as effective for pilots as BH and company want it to be.

On the surface it looks good, and it could possibly be.......But they hold the constraints, just like with PBS, so if the parameters aren't "set" in favor for pilots, then it will be just like the system we have in place, substituting a computer message from an actual CS person.

What good will it do to not be able to drop, if adequate reserves aren't there? It will be no different.

As long as SKW gives open time to reserves, hence depleting the true reason why reserves are needed, (ie sick calls, emergency etc.), or is not staffed properly, then it will be no different.

I am hopeful, but as usual the expectation of this and all projects, communications, and exchanges between MGT and the pilots these days have seemingly proven beneficial to one side only.
 
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I'm actually surprised they chose to implement this now. It seems to me they can't win, either it's great and the pilots love it, in which case they'll be seen as interfering with the union drive (and have to defend the legality of their actions in court), or it'll be worthless and the pilots will be undeterred in their ALPA drive. Either way, Schedplus seems like another step towards ALPA, except for those who really don't pay attention (which admittedly, could be the majority of SkyWest pilots...)
 
Bluto said:
Either way, Schedplus seems like another step towards ALPA, except for those who really don't pay attention (which admittedly, could be the majority of SkyWest pilots...)
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I think most pay attention (not all). However, the majority have not bought off on what the OC is selling.

I predict the vote will be roughly

38% FOR, 62% AGAINST.

after all, if what was being offered was so great, why wouldn't we want it? If the majority believed that it would benefit them to vote in ALPA, then of course they would.
 
SkyNation said:
I think most pay attention (not all). However, the majority have not bought off on what the OC is selling.

I predict the vote will be roughly

38% FOR, 62% AGAINST.

after all, if what was being offered was so great, why wouldn't we want it? If the majority believed that it would benefit them to vote in ALPA, then of course they would.
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If the majority informed themselves, they would know that ALPA would benefit them!
 
I predict the vote will be roughly

38% FOR, 62% AGAINST.

This is pretty close, out of the 250 people I have asked in the last 6 months, my poll is indicating 39.4% FOR and 60.6% AGAINST. I think this is pretty accurate!
 
I think polling your FO's is not the most accurate method. Take a look at these numbers...
Of 2822 total the magic number for ALPA is 1411+1 or 1412 (actual number eligible voters will be lower, a little over 2600, but the percentages stay the same)

EMB pilots 509 - 80% Yes = 407
CRJ CA 1218 - 70% Yes = 852
CRJ FO 1095 - 20% Yes = 219
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Total Yes votes for ALPA 1478 or 52%

Close, no doubt, but ALPA still wins
 
MYFpilot said:
EMB pilots 509 - 80% Yes = 407
CRJ CA 1218 - 70% Yes = 852
CRJ FO 1095 - 20% Yes = 219
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Total Yes votes for ALPA 1478 or 52%

Close, no doubt, but ALPA still wins
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this is pure fantasy, at least in SLC among the many, many I've asked. I'd put CA on the RJ at more like 60/40 in terms of AGAINST/FOR.

FOs I think you have low, I'd say it's more like 35% FOR.

I predict only around 1800 actually vote, with maybe 600-700 voting FOR.
 
The best thing to do is to not vote... Then alpa will continue to provide free lunches.... More than we would ever recieve from their representation.. ohhh and skedplus or whatever is as has been mentioned a great thing if staffing works out.... jetblue uses it and its amazing for them.
 
Gr82Aviate said:
If the majority informed themselves, they would know that ALPA would benefit them!
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Informed = pro ALPA
Uninformed = anti ALPA

Got it............

But then wouldn't ignorant = Teamsters?
 
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ha ha, not even close.

it's more like:

have experience being represented by ALPA=anti ALPA

have never been part of a union AND bitter, angry type=pro ALPA
 
SkyNation said:
ha ha, not even close.

it's more like:

have experience being represented by ALPA=anti ALPA

have never been part of a union AND bitter, angry type=pro ALPA
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My last carrier was ALPA, and I plan to vote in favor.

That being said, I think you are right on with your guess. I was saying 42% in favor, but with the telephone voting system I think It will be lower, probably 35-40.
 
Not going to help the bottom 2/3rds.

joe_pilot said:
Precisely.

So Nightrain_080, was it just management bashing (not entirely undeserved, mind you) or do you see a way it might be bad?
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You thought PBS took away vacation and user time fast, just wait and see how happy SGU will be when all the Vacation time and user time gets wiped off the books even faster with Skid minus. The reserves will still be used wrong while staffing can't keep up with training and attrition.

When fliers and booklets come out and BH wants it then how can it possibly be good for QOL? Red flags everywhere.

Have fun burning up your vacation and user time with PBS and skid minus.
 
Actually nightrain, I believe that this will be a better application for junior and commuting crewmembers than senior crewmembers. The senior crewmembers will most likely have gotten what they wanted with PBS so they will not be modifying their schedule much. But as stated several times, Sked+ is very dependant on reserve staffing.
 
I'd vote for ALPA

SkyNation said:
ha ha, not even close.

it's more like:

have experience being represented by ALPA=anti ALPA

have never been part of a union AND bitter, angry type=pro ALPA
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-I will never work for an airline that doesn't have ALPA. At least we can say "no" when the company tries to shove a sorry contract down our throats.......
-What can you do? ---------, pretty quiet over there........

-You and Joe Merchant need to go and get a room-you should collaborate. Two retards are often more entertaining than one.

-You sir, are a self-serving moron.
 

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