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Is 1st Class, Non-rev a thing of the past???

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Jumpseated an America West flight DFW/LAS a few yrs. back that my father was on. Capt. welcomed me on. As I was heading to coach ,where my ole man was, The lead F/A told me to sit in 1C. I thanked her but told her about my father being on board. The Gate agent had got me a seat next too him. She sat me down in 1C, went to the back and got my Dad ,and put him in1D!

In this day and age we ought to all be treating each other like this. It's about all we have left.
 
yea man...

You take care of the hands that take care of you!

As far as first class...I think it's mostly the gate agents (Delta) that avoid the big seats. Sometimes I'll get an agent that will put me up there when it's open. Every other time, it'll be the OBL that will sit me up there after chatting with her after saying hi to the front crew. Lately things have been so busy, I'm just happy to have a seat.

But it is unfortunate when we pushback with a handful of open F.C. seats and there are jumpseaters in the rear.

We don't have first class on JB...BUT, we pulled the jetway back up the oher day(we were early anyway) and took an offline jumpseater that ran to the gate last minute and gave 'em a ride.

We'll do what we can.
 
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Dispatchers too.. Please

Hey pilots,
Please remember us too...I among others would really appreciate it if you guys would remember to include the dispatchers as well.. we have really been the forgotten airmen in recent years.. we run into gate agents that dont know squadush about us also the newer F/As.. it seems that we (the dispatchers) are getting pushed further away instead of being brought in to the fold.. we really appreciate the rides, really love to get the front office at the pointy end if possible, of course CASS amd agreements in tact..

There are still alot of us that commute to work just like pilots... thanks in advance..
 
CO B737 jumpseat for almost 8 hours? You are a mad man! If you know the capability of this airplane, you know better to expect nothing. It lands in IAH in fumes. I think there is memo out to refrain from accepting jumpseaters for this city pair due to weight issues and there is no payload variance allowed.
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In September 2000 it was a 757--plenty of room.

So much so that they had bedrolls with them to rack out on the deck :)
 
Alaska is still hammering out a contract, but this section has been settled. Here is the quote...
" added first class seating (when it would otherwise go unfilled) to on and offline jumpseaters.
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Jumpseated home on AA yesterday from ORD. I waited until all the revenues had boarded to go down the jetway. Left my bags in the jetway, introduced myself to the lead F/A and asked if it was ok to talk to the flight crew. He said sure, "and when you come on just take any open seat in first as we are not full today." Waited until it looked like the crew wasn't busy, introduced myself to BOTH guys, offered my id, medical, and pilot certificate (all of which the Capt waived off with a smile) and asked for a ride home. As always was welcomed aboard and told to enjoy the ride and again told by the Capt. to take a seat in first.

I'd say this is the way it goes for me on AA 99% of the time when first isn't full. Civility and manners definately go a long way.

BTW, those hot chocolate chip cookies on AA are the best!
 
Well not getting first class is the least of some guys concerns at ASA and Skywest when Non-Reving on Delta or other Delta connection carries. Delta is now charging $5 per segment and $0.01 per mile for ASA and Skywest employees when they non rev. Can you imagine how many FA's are going to quit now because they have to pay $20 and $30 to get back and forth to work. "Sorry folks flight 4555 has been canceled due to lack of a Flight Attendant. We will be re-scheduling all of you on a later flight. That flight is also already oversold so we are offering 200 delta dollars to anyone willing to take an even later flight because your FA quit because we tried to save $30." Talk about spending a dollar to save a dime.
 
Not certain because of the poorly worded memo, but I believe that the Delta agreement for SkyW only applies to the non-rev portion of travel, and doesn't affect the jumpseat agreements for pilots, or f/a's if there is one.
 
LogbookSlave said:
Not certain because of the poorly worded memo, but I believe that the Delta agreement for SkyW only applies to the non-rev portion of travel, and doesn't affect the jumpseat agreements for pilots, or f/a's if there is one.
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I believe you are correct however the FA's have a hard time getting jumpseat agreements because the RJ's don't have an extra FA jumpseat to trade. Also take this example.

5 seats available in back and 1 up front.

1 ASA(or skywest) pilot DOH 06/90
1 ASA(or skywest) pilot DOH 07/93
5 Skywest rampers DOH 1 month ago

If the pilots (or replace pilots with FAs) don't want to pay the $20 fee to go to work and the rampies going on vacation pay the $20's, all of the rampies who would be junior to both pilots, would get seats in the back. While pilot 1 would get the jumpseat and pilot 2 is left at the gate.

As the jumpseat and Non-rev list are separate in the delta system.(try and see how much it pisses off a gate agent if you put yourself on both) And the Non-Revs get cleared before the Jumpseater.

Pilot 2 calls in and says he cant make it and from talking with friends at ASA that means flight canceled due to staffing.


I hope Im wrong in the way I interpret this but I fear Im not.
 
RiddleEagle18 said:
sorry for the thread hi-jack.
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To add to the "hi-jack", I was flying on SWA today (Friday of Labor Day weekend). Was on a full fare ticket. In NJs uniform, and a SWA DHing Pilot, pulled me into the "pre-board" line. They let me pre-board, went straight to the back of the plane, and had a row to myself. Thanks to all that help us NJ pilots.
 
Non-reving seems like a lifetime ago for me...but when I was doing it, I felt fortunate to get a seat...ANY seat. My goal was to get TO work and FROM work. At the time, I didn't give a $hit where I sat. I guess if you non-rev longer than I did or longer legs, etc...you expect some type of entitlement...but I never did...I looked at it as a gift. And was glad to get it! And I NEVER failed to be gracious.
 
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If someone was in buisness casual I would make sure they got first class. If they were in uniform I wouldn't say a word so I could laugh as they squeezed into the middle seat between two fatties. HA HA!
 
Yeah, what he said!!!
 
Exskydiverdrivr said:
Jumpseated an America West flight DFW/LAS a few yrs. back that my father was on. Capt. welcomed me on. As I was heading to coach ,where my ole man was, The lead F/A told me to sit in 1C. I thanked her but told her about my father being on board. The Gate agent had got me a seat next too him. She sat me down in 1C, went to the back and got my Dad ,and put him in1D!

In this day and age we ought to all be treating each other like this. It's about all we have left.
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WELL SAID.
 
At CAL i guess we can get in trouble for upgrading a jumpseating pilot to first. I have had a senior FA rip the captain a new one because he told me to sit in first class and threatened to report him. He sat there like a little bitch and didnt say a thing. I think that needs to be part of our next contract. If first is available it will be the captains discretion wether to allow a jumpseating "pilot" to occupy that seat. When a captain is a bitch on his own airplane it is sad.
 
I don't JS near as much as I used to, but when I did I used AA quite a bit and found that I received FC about 15-25% of the time. Usually it was the Captian or that would be the only seat left. I was always gracious and appreciative and I truly believe in treating the gate agents, flight attendants and of course the crew with respect even if I may not receive it back. I understand that people on here are happy to get a free ride and I agree that it is a great perk, but I don't understand how anyone can explain why either the gate agent, FA or even the crew, or airline rules themselves preclude a JSeater from sitting in FC when it is clearly open. If they want to upgrade a pax for it, fine, but if it is open after the door shuts and the JSeater is in row 29 seat E that is disrespectful IMHO.
 
My last jumpseat experience was on AA flight in '05 going to DFW. I was to be furloughed in 2 days (ex ACA'er) and during the initial intro the CA found out. He sat me in 1st class (the only one) and was treated like a 1st class pax by all FA's. After the flight I let all the pax de-plane (maybe 30 at most) and made my way to the back to thank one of the FA's personally. Thanked her and made my way up front to thank the rest of the crew. They wished me the best and the CA handed me a bag with 2 bottles of wine (Im guessing to get over my troubles, haha). " A little something from all of us to you" were his words. The CA and I proceeded to walk up the jet bridge and continue to talk about the industry. Once we got to the gate he shook my hand, once again, and wished me the best. I felt like either I knew this crew personally, or I was an AA employee by the treatment I recieved. Great farewell experience that made my 121 departure memorable.
 
Say Again,

You are an ex ACAer... you deserved every bit of that good treatment!

Here's to the good memories. Blue Ridge forever!

73
ACA alum
 
BigMeat said:
At CAL i guess we can get in trouble for upgrading a jumpseating pilot to first. I have had a senior FA rip the captain a new one because he told me to sit in first class and threatened to report him. He sat there like a little bitch and didnt say a thing. I think that needs to be part of our next contract. If first is available it will be the captains discretion wether to allow a jumpseating "pilot" to occupy that seat. When a captain is a bitch on his own airplane it is sad.
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Jumpseaters can be upgraded "legally" at CAL. Just type in "GG SJ1A or GG SK1A" on the Shares/Sonic function in CCS and you'll see the official policy on page 2 (G*). Also see GG JUMP POL (jumpseat policy) and then type G*301 for more upgrade info.
 
XJTAv8r said:
Jumpseaters can be upgraded "legally" at CAL. Just type in "GG SJ1A or GG SK1A" on the Shares/Sonic function in CCS and you'll see the official policy on page 2 (G*). Also see GG JUMP POL (jumpseat policy) and then type G*301 for more upgrade info.
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This is good news! I stand corrected. Most others think that we cant do this for our fellow pilots, myself included. If you can please post this in the crew rooms. I will do the same where i am. Its nice to treat our peers to FC when we can. Keeping the respect in the industry.
 
BigMeat said:
This is good news! I stand corrected. Most others think that we cant do this for our fellow pilots, myself included. If you can please post this in the crew rooms. I will do the same where i am. Its nice to treat our peers to FC when we can. Keeping the respect in the industry.
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Yeah, I'm trying to spread the word. The upgrade should simply happen at the gate with the gate agent upgrading the "jumpseat" boarding pass if there are seats still available, but it seems most gate agents are clueless about F/C being allowed. I print out the sonic info and show it to the gate agents if they deny me. Usually there's a look of shock on their face.
 
I know at Spirit the gate agents are a pain in the CASS! Most are so new because the turnover is so high that they don't understand or know how to put a JS in the system (FLL especially). Our agents are so overworked they generally don't have time to even get an employee on. It is very disconcerning and something we the pilots are working on fixing. However...once you get on board we usually put you in the front. Not first class mind you, but a Big Fu*^ing Seat or whatever they are calling it these days. Most FA's are on board with it and eventhough management doesn't want us doing it, here we still have some control.

I know when I'm on another carrier, while it is nice to get up front, I am happy just for the ride. I do believe it is professional courtesy that is going by the way side however that crews are being quickly pushed aside as the "hired help" and not the professionals we are. It is sad.

I used to always travel in business casual, but now with the TSA it seems our ID isn't good enough. We have to be in uniform to get liquids through security. That is something that totally blows my mind. What I'm wearing is more important than the gov't/company ID that I hold? So it is just easier to get around in uniform now....unfortunately.

Thanks NWA. They always throw me in first and pre-board as well. Even an offline crewmember still gets treated professionally by the gate agents. It seems with all thier problems they still have a bit of class.
 
Have you ever jumped FedEx? You might like it. All of the legroom you need. Snooze all you want! Coffee (required equipment), juice, water and none of the "Ask Jeeves" questions from passengers. Of course, you will have to cozy up in an airplane that has a Haz Can onboard - but it isn't that bad. :)

Besides 50% of our flights are daytime...look us up.

www.alpa.org/fdx/jumpseat to look for your route

866-357-5711 to list.
 
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For the record, we were going to be 1500 lbs heavy the other day..and the ramp crew wanted to bump the six jumpseaters. The captain, also a commuter, said, I have 1200 lbs of jumpseaters and a 1500 lb pallet. Even if you take all the jumps, we still have to get rid of that pallet. The jumps go - the pallet stays....Close us up and let's get out of here.
 
aa73 said:
Say Again,

You are an ex ACAer... you deserved every bit of that good treatment!

Here's to the good memories. Blue Ridge forever!

73
ACA alum
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Thanks aa73!! I certainly do miss my ACA days, and will always have the great memories of working with the finest group of pilots around!!!!!!!!:beer:

Like I said in my prior post, that AA crew made my 121 departure a memorable one, and I thank every one of them!!!!

Blue Ridge forever!!!!!!!!
 

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