Airways folks - new CBA and E190 pay

[mynameisjim]

Now many people here at Republic seem to think the 190's are heading this way. (God I hope not)

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Where the hell is this rumor coming from?

I have heard republic pilots talking about that rumor too. I think it comes from their top, with the Republic CEO saying he's trying to get the 190s, and he talks about how they're so cheap US can't say no or something.

If I had a say, I'd say hell no.

 

[sgmick]

Seriously sgmick? I would like to just say f'off, but here's some reasonable words....



I think this whole thing boils down to a couple key issues.

1) The East pilots have endured significant career stagnation and hardship and they want their paybacks no matter what.

2) The East group feels falsly superior to the West, which makes it that much harder to stomach the fact that a 3 yr guy and an 18 yr guy being next to eachother is what a neutral party considered "fair".

Here's an average West guy's take...

RE 1) It is understandable how an 18 yr pilot feels "senior" even though their relative position doesn't back that up. We get that. BUT, that isn't a trump card to punish the West. That's the basic attitude we've seen from you guys and it makes it almost impossible to empathize with that situation after how we've been treated in this mess.

RE 2) The false superiority is a real deal...kind of like racial tension where there are hidden feelings and agendas below the surface. It's almost like we sat in the front of the bus if you know what I mean....everyone knows deep down it's fair to integrate based on relative seniority positions, but a $hitstorm ensues when all that hidden stuff is forced to the surface....that's exactly what happened with the Nicolau ruling.

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Here are a couple more observations, which are root causes of current problems.

The West see ourselves as having been reasonable throughout the process. Never demanding or overreaching for anything beyond a fair shake. We feel we have abided by the rules, crossed the T's, dotted the I's....yet, being the little ol' AWA group, it seems that doesn't matter because the process has been politicized and apparently our lobby isn't as strong as the larger East group regardless of how well we adhere to a clearly defined process.

The reality for a junior AWA pilot hired in '04 is that we are going on 3 yrs now of reserve with no end in sight. We are now far behind our reasonable pre-merger career expectations.

The reality for the senior furloughee before the merger is he has been recalled and enjoys a quality of life (line holder, CA upgrade soon, etc) that's arguably better than his counterpart out West. They are now far ahead of their reasonable pre-merger expectations.

So you have two groups who feel rightous. One who has played by the rules and expects fair results. The other feigns to be rightous and cry's foul while touting the great victory the West was dealt. Behind the scenes, though, they work dilligently to corral everything "good" from this merger for themselves and have been the true beneficiaries of the merger to date.

It's really quite disgusting because the West has gone out of our way to be reasonable and do the right thing only to have $hit smeared in our face.

We would have been advocates for you and were fighting alongside you for better contract right up until Nicolau ruled. We would have pushed for higher payscales for FO's with unusually long longevities and would have fought for better workrules, pay, etc for everyone accross the board. Together we could have accomplished something.

Now we're destined for more of the same as the road forward has been effectively destroyed by the East.


SO - higher E190 rates...I doubt it. Could have been, but not now. It's a low priority as we now have to deal with priorities that never should have become reality.

It's gotten to the point where the East has lobbied successfully to keep our callsigns temporarily separate after the certificates are merged claiming it's a "safety" issue. These are their priorities now....not a better contract.

You could use my advice more than anyone. A little hot under the collar for a simple question. People dont burn their own house down for no reason. Get a clue boy.

 

[regionaltard]

You could use my advice more than anyone. A little hot under the collar for a simple question. People dont burn their own house down for no reason. Get a clue boy.

A reason and what someone thinks is a reason can be two things as different as, for instance, seniority and longevity. The only group reaping a windfall is the managers, and they'll continue do do so until the East figures out that humping West's leg isn't gonna produce puppies.

 

[PHXFLYR]

The depth of your ignorance regarding the arbitration award is truly astounding. But don't worry . Your in good company.


PHXFLYR

 

[sgmick]

Hmmmm, and who is the one working for this GREAT company? Makes you wonder who the ignorant one is.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Not true. There were over 300 ACTIVE AAA pilots employed that were stapled...

Wow I should have taken that MDA job. I guess it was really a mainline recall. The reason I never took the MDA slot is because the place had a very slim chance of survival. I wanted nothing to do with the crap hole after my furlough.

MDA was not mainline. I don't care what certificate it was run on.

And there is no way in heck a CEL flowup should be senior to a west pilot.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Not a chance of that happening now. The "easties" are past the point of no return and would much rather "burn the place to the ground and hand the ashes to the west" rather than try to negotiate anything worthwhile for themselves. Interesting cast of characters.

PHXFLYR

Mr. Optimistic!

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Liquidate for US Airways without the merger, maybe, but probably not. AWA without the merger, bankruptcy?? Where would you guys be then?

Lets see AAA in its second bankruptcy with no exit plan.

AWA in the black.

I see your speaking from that position of the east financial powerhouse.

The simple fact is the East was in their second BK.

The west survived the downturn and was able to stay in the black while the rest of the industry was bleeding like a hemophiliac cut by a chainsaw.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Mr. Optimistic!

Who,me???



PHXFLYR

 

[Fast43]

Not true. There were over 300 ACTIVE AAA pilots employed that were stapled...

Good for you, you took a job to keep flying. Now tell me again how many times you could have used your Mainline bidding position to fly a 737 or Airbus or any other "Mainline" Jet.

I could be wrong but I understand that your classification as "Furloughed" is what kept you off any Mainline Jet.

Or was "Furloughed but flying an Embraer" a bid option for all Mainline pilots