UA Schedules and Contract Info

[ewrord]

Can any United guys/gals on here post some info about your schedules. I know you have PBS and was wondering how it works out on the A320/737. More specifically, when it assigns a schedule are there block of days off or will it break up the days off so that there is only 1 day off here and there. Also, could anybody tell me where I could get a copy of the contract? Thanks for any help.

 

[ualdriver]

With the PBS system, I think it will only build days off so that you have a minimum of 2 days off in a row, although someone should correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure they said in PBS class it won't put just one day in between two trips. The least amount of days off that you'll get per month is 12, except 3 months a year the company can flex that down to 11. Those 3 months will always probably be June, July, and August.

As far as schedules go, the 737 flying is more short-haul stuff. The A320 gets a mix of short-haul, long-haul, and some international stuff (Mexico, Aruba, etc.). The A320 tends to run more senior as it seems to currrently be the more "desirable" aircraft to fly. Personally, I like the A320 better than the 737 at UAL because it's a nicer, newer, more comfortable airplane and the variety in the flying is better. But you'll pay for that in seniority.

 

[pilotgolfer]

I'm expecting to see a mix of A320 and 737 when I go to class in Sept. I live about 30 minutes from BWI, 45 minutes to DCA and 1.5 hours from IAD. I'm leaning towards the Bus just for the variety of schedules and the extra legroom in the office.

On the off chance that there are some 757/767 available to say ORD...would I be able to lateral bid pretty quick to IAD? I assume life would be pretty good sitting reserve at home even though I would always be junior on the equipment.

Is there any way to make extra money on one fleet as opposed to the other? I assume the narrow bodies fly near 85-90 hours. How does it pay if you sit reserve of the 767 and then fly a trip or two on your days off? Is it paid above the guarantee or 150% or anything like that? How much do reserve pilots typically fly on the 757/767 ?


Any UAL folks care to chime in?

Thanks!

 

[ualdriver]

On the off chance that there are some 757/767 available to say ORD...would I be able to lateral bid pretty quick to IAD?

It looks like the junior man in operation at IAD is even more junior than ORD, so if I had to wag it, I would guess that it wouldn't be too hard, barring the usual show stoppers.

Is there any way to make extra money on one fleet as opposed to the other?

You can't earn any extra money by working on your days off on reserve. Any time that you pick up extra as a line holder is paid at a straght rate as well.

The only "deals" that one can cut with the company are when they call you for junior man/senior man flying. These types of deals will be greatly discouraged by your fellow line pilots considering pilot/management relations right now until improvements are made in our contract.

 

[pilotgolfer]

Thanks ualdriver,

I appreciate the info.

 

[northpole]

I just got back rom my 67 PC and the word is no new hires to the 57/67 fleet. I guess they are concerned about training issues as the course has been shortened to 20 days. I went through the 21 training day program last year and it sucked big time unless you like 4 hours of sleep per night.

 

[ualdriver]

I just got back rom my 67 PC and the word is no new hires to the 57/67 fleet. I guess they are concerned about training issues as the course has been shortened to 20 days. I went through the 21 training day program last year and it sucked big time unless you like 4 hours of sleep per night.

I'm really, really surprised to hear that and I wonder if that is just a rumor going around TK? Considering that there were unfilled 767 seats in the last bid AND the Company refuses to release current UAL pilots from their freezes, I guess they're going to have to start parking 767's for lack of F/O's!!

 

[ChinaClipper]

I am no expert but...

whats so hard about flying a 75/67??? I have about 11 hours in the sim and other than it being a bit hard to go down/slow down, it was nice??? Anyone? Anyone? btw is there still a contractual problem associated with this??? I heard that newbies can only go International after 200 hours Domestic first...Thanks

 

[iaflyer]

The United contract is available on airlinepilotcentral.com:

United Contract

 

[northpole]

I'm really, really surprised to hear that and I wonder if that is just a rumor going around TK? Considering that there were unfilled 767 seats in the last bid AND the Company refuses to release current UAL pilots from their freezes, I guess they're going to have to start parking 767's for lack of F/O's!!

We all said the same thing, but they insist on no new hires to the 67 fleet. Maybe, they will relax some freezes. As of right now, the fleet is not preparing for new hires......or so they say

 

[ualdriver]

We all said the same thing, but they insist on no new hires to the 67 fleet. Maybe, they will relax some freezes. As of right now, the fleet is not preparing for new hires......or so they say

Well, maybe they're going to let some guys out of their freezes. That's the way it should be. No offense to new hires, but guys currently on the seniority list (and unfortunately frozen) should have first shot at those 767 f/o slots before guys coming off the street as new hires.

 

[contrail67]

I was viewing another web board and a person posted that he expects any new hire to be laid off before they complete their probation period....is this guy just doom and gloom?...how short of pilots is United...

 

[ualdriver]

I was viewing another web board and a person posted that he expects any new hire to be laid off before they complete their probation period....is this guy just doom and gloom?...how short of pilots is United...

I guess if oil went to $200/barrel or terrorists nuked a major city or something similar it would be true. Otherwise, I don't think I'd be terribly concerned. And we're certainly not overstaffed.........

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I was viewing another web board and a person posted that he expects any new hire to be laid off before they complete their probation period....is this guy just doom and gloom?...how short of pilots is United...

whatever makes "him" feel better.

May I ask what message board? PM if you like.

 

[ualdriver]

whatever makes "him" feel better.

May I ask what message board? PM if you like.

Andy said it here post 34. He's predicting economic collapse of the U.S. economy and the worst recession since the great depression. I guess if you believe that, you have bigger problems than your job at United.

 

[T-Bags]

Just FYI, i know Andy and he knows what he's talking about (ie, he has the degrees and background, or iow, he's no jetflyer). While I'm not nearly as pessimistic, I also foresee a recession in the next 12 months. It will happen quick. By the looks of it, the fed is willing to add liquidity as needed, but there is he11 to pay for the last 6 or so years.

What does that mean? Well, UAL has about $5 BILLION in cash. If it lasts less than 2 years, UAL has no worries. As a matter of fact, from a purely economic standpoint, it could be good for the industry as a bunch of smaller players go away (bubye Skybus...). One advantage a new hire at UAL will have is that the hiring is for attrition instead of growth, so the chance are they won't "overhire" in anticipation of new jet deliveries and new routes just as the economy slows down.

hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Even if UAL's contract had furough protection, it wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on. Be prepared with a fallback. That's good advice no matter your timing.

 

[T-Bags]

whats so hard about flying a 75/67??? I have about 11 hours in the sim and other than it being a bit hard to go down/slow down, it was nice??? Anyone? Anyone? btw is there still a contractual problem associated with this??? I heard that newbies can only go International after 200 hours Domestic first...Thanks

nothing. The fear is that they hire a guy who has no international experience and he finds himself in a 767 on the NATs or at Frankfurt while on probation without the background to ensure success.

Is international anything special? No. but better safe than sorry... Plus the 76 guys have to know 4 differant jets.

 

[UAL-GSO]

nothing. The fear is that they hire a guy who has no international experience and he finds himself in a 767 on the NATs or at Frankfurt while on probation without the background to ensure success.

Is international anything special? No. but better safe than sorry... Plus the 76 guys have to know 4 differant jets.

The union was against probationary pilots flying widebodies back in 2000 and 2001. However, when we were short of F/O's on those aircraft, they went to the probies anyway. The compromise was that no one on probation could fly a widebody internationally. Therefore, international ground school, LOFTs, and IOE were not scheduled until after a pilot completed probation. I would expect to see something like this again - then again I am usually wrong about most things with respect to good old UAL.

As far as I'm concerned, they can have the 767 - I'll keep my short bus and my schedule. Reserve sucks.

 

[contrail67]

How many retirements is Untied looking at in the upcoming years....leave 65 thing out, I understand that will ad 5 years.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

UAL Retirements

UAL Retirements


RETIREMENTS PER YEAR AT AGE 60
2007 - 263
2008 - 235
2009 - 231
2010 - 201
2011 - 167
2012 - 228
2013 - 246
2014 - 239
2015 - 271
2016 - 330
2017 - 305
2018 - 383
2019 - 356
2020 - 461
2021 - 508
2022 - 503
2023 - 574
2025 - 539
2026 - 561
2027 – 407
Oh-yeah and myself in 2031!

 

[ualdriver]

UAL Retirements


RETIREMENTS PER YEAR AT AGE 60
2007 - 263
2008 - 235
2009 - 231
2010 - 201
2011 - 167
2012 - 228
2013 - 246
2014 - 239
2015 - 271
2016 - 330
2017 - 305
2018 - 383
2019 - 356
2020 - 461
2021 - 508
2022 - 503
2023 - 574
2025 - 539
2026 - 561
2027 – 407
Oh-yeah and myself in 2031!

Thanks. Where did you get those numbers from?

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

The union was against probationary pilots flying widebodies back in 2000 and 2001. However, when we were short of F/O's on those aircraft, they went to the probies anyway. The compromise was that no one on probation could fly a widebody internationally. Therefore, international ground school, LOFTs, and IOE were not scheduled until after a pilot completed probation. I would expect to see something like this again - then again I am usually wrong about most things with respect to good old UAL.

As far as I'm concerned, they can have the 767 - I'll keep my short bus and my schedule. Reserve sucks.

Not the way it happened for me. Hired summer of 2000 as a 727 FE, had a 767 bid as soon as I finished 727 school and completed 767 school, international school, LOFT, and International Qual all before I was off probation. In fact, my LHR-JFK leg was my last leg at UAL. Sat at home for about a month before getting my furlough letter and my off-probation letter on the same day. Ahhh, the good old days.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Thanks. Where did you get those numbers from?

ALPA Message boards

 

[Daveflier]

Ual Jfk Crew Base

Can someone post what equipment United flies out of JFK-and the size of the crew base. Also, I was told that no newhires would be sent to NYC. Is the JFK base relatively senior? Thanks.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Can someone post what equipment United flies out of JFK-and the size of the crew base. Also, I was told that no newhires would be sent to NYC. Is the JFK base relatively senior? Thanks.

UAL has pretty much given up on NYC and I believe only the 320 and 757/767 fleets have a base there. When I was based there in 2001 there were about 900 pilots in the base, last I heard there are now less than 300. One of my reasons not to return as I would have to commute from NYC to ORD. Much fun.