What has ALPA done for me lately?

[CopilotDoug]

What should you be doing? Or should an ALPA member simply pay dues and expect others to provide all positive results.

IOW does the member have responsibility?

I'm doing my part, I left the airlines for better pay and QOL.

 

[waveflyer]

Rez there are Chiefs and there are Indians- always will be.... How clustered would it be if everyone tried to come in and be MEC chair? People need leaders. And leaders don't blame those they lead. Pilots are dying to follow a good leader- You can say 'get involved' as vaguely as you'd like- But what does that really mean?

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Great...so what kind of a timeline has been set for results to take place? 2 or 3 generations from now? ALPA is the foam bat at a gunfight.

With this new generation of ALPA cheerleaders expect this profession to turn into a minimum wage profession.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

I'm doing my part, I left the airlines for better pay and QOL.

Are you hiring? LOL

 

[BoilerUP]

With this new generation of ALPA cheerleaders expect this profession to turn into a minimum wage profession.

What would YOU do?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Great...so what kind of a timeline has been set for results to take place? 2 or 3 generations from now? ALPA is the foam bat at a gunfight.

As soon as you can get to an LEC meeting....

Rez there are Chiefs and there are Indians- always will be.... How clustered would it be if everyone tried to come in and be MEC chair? People need leaders. And leaders don't blame those they lead. Pilots are dying to follow a good leader- You can say 'get involved' as vaguely as you'd like- But what does that really mean?

Agreed.. problem is we don't even have indians... we have spectators in the stands watching thier career go by... then complianing when they don't like what they see...

We need a repsonsible membership... not a welfare mentality membership... no one wants to man up.. they just want to pay dues and "set it and forget it"... until that changes it will be the same ol stuff...

With this new generation of ALPA cheerleaders expect this profession to turn into a minimum wage profession.

Acutally the new generation that is coming on line is getting right seat jet with CA upgrade in less than 2 years...

Therefore from thier perspective what is the problem? Life is good and thier career is moving along as advertised....

Not sure what you mean by ALPA cheerleaders turning it into min wage. the ALPA guys want to get the profession back... it is nay sayers like you that make it difficult... you are either helping to move the ball down field or your against the profession. Care to choose?

 

[atrdriver]

Are you crazy.
ALPA gave the company exactly what they wanted.

No one in their right mind would vote for a paycut unless they were scared.

Yeah, there's nothing quite like your company going under, but being able to say in the unemployment line "I got my full pay right to the end". I sure didn't hear anyone complaining about ALPA in 2000 when the payrates were skyrocketing.

And of course the pilots (not ALPA) gave the companies what they wanted after 9/11. When the choice is less pay with a career or more pay until the company tanks, it is pretty much a no brainer. Help the company get back in the black, then get the pay rates back.

 

[atrdriver]

the most anti-labor President in American history is in office?

Man, you really need to read some history books.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Acutally the new generation that is coming on line is getting right seat jet with CA upgrade in less than 2 years...

Therefore from thier perspective what is the problem? Life is good and thier career is moving along as advertised....

Be fair here, Rez. 2 years where? Gulfstream? Great Mistakes? Colgan?CommutAir? These aren't career airlines.

The only reason why people want to make Captain is ultimately money.

 

[CopilotDoug]

I sure didn't hear anyone complaining about ALPA in 2000 when the payrates were skyrocketing.

Do you go hug the mechanics everytime your plane works right? ALPA was doing its job. ALPA did its job with Eastern. If Eastern caved, you would have never seen the payrates in the 90's.

 

[sleeves]

What have all of you guys on here bashing alpa done to change things?

 

[PHXFLYR]

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Not sure what you mean by ALPA cheerleaders turning it into min wage. the ALPA guys want to get the profession back... it is nay sayers like you that make it difficult... you are either helping to move the ball down field or your against the profession. Care to choose?[/quote]



Well,Sunshine?? What's it gonna be?? We're waiting.....



PHXFLYR

 

[CopilotDoug]

Do you have a reference? By line in the sand I take it you mean an ultimatum.

Yes, Rez. Read the latest issue of ALPA. How many times does Prater use the word "Must" ?

And the context in which he uses it...Management must do this...Management must do that...I see what the goals are...I agree with them. But what is ALPA prepared to do WHEN management comes back and says stick it? How is ALPA going to get the pilots what they rightfully deserve? The current method of "working with management" isn't getting it done. They may as well be "working with a brick wall"

 

[Boeing747Driver]

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Not sure what you mean by ALPA cheerleaders turning it into min wage. the ALPA guys want to get the profession back... it is nay sayers like you that make it difficult... you are either helping to move the ball down field or your against the profession. Care to choose?



Well,Sunshine?? What's it gonna be?? We're waiting.....



PHXFLYR

In will walk lock step with Prater and we will get the industry back. How do I know. Because he said. LOL

ALPA is not taking anything back with the current leadership. This is an organization that has taken back SCABS for a buck.

I am a pilot advocate. Not an ALPA cheerleader.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

This is an organization that has taken back SCABS for a buck.

I am a pilot advocate. Not an ALPA cheerleader.

BRAVO

That deserved an encore

 

[Occam's Razor]

This is an organization that has taken back SCABS for a buck.

You are incorrect.

ALPA took back scabs because it was an unavoidable byproduct of keeping faith with loyal ALPA members who went into battle (a strike) at ALPA's behest.

I was one of the BOD reps who voted to bring the loyal ALPA members back into our organization, with full knowledge that it would result is a certain number of scum-sucking scabs also gaining access to our organization.

I'd do it again in an instant.

I value keeping faith (my favorite gun club calls it "Semper Fideles") above ostracizing weasels.

You might not. That's cool, and I totally understand.

But since I was one of those who made the decision, I can state, with a high degree of professional certainty, that "making a buck" had NOTHING to do with it.

I am a pilot advocate. Not an ALPA cheerleader.

Good for you! Lord knows an advocate can do good things. I happen to believe ALL pilots can do more than a single (or small of group of) advocate.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

You are incorrect.

ALPA took back scabs because it was an unavoidable byproduct of keeping faith with loyal ALPA members who went into battle (a strike) at ALPA's behest.

I was one of the BOD reps who voted to bring the loyal ALPA members back into our organization, with full knowledge that it would result is a certain number of scum-sucking scabs also gaining access to our organization.

I'd do it again in an instant.

I value keeping faith (my favorite gun club calls it "Semper Fideles") above ostracizing weasels.

You might not. That's cool, and I totally understand.

But since I was one of those who made the decision, I can state, with a high degree of professional certainty, that "making a buck" had NOTHING to do with it.



Good for you! Lord knows an advocate can do good things. I happen to believe ALL pilots can do more than a single (or small of group of) advocate.

The scabs did not have to be taken back. Their applications could have been denied. I saw it first hand at Polar. A Eastern Scab was not allowed to join the union. He had a nice story why he was on the scab list also.

 

[Occam's Razor]

The scabs did not have to be taken back. Their applications could have been denied. I saw it first hand at Polar. A Eastern Scab was not allowed to join the union. He had a nice story why he was on the scab list also.

The Punic Wars also had very little impact on bauxite exports from Namibia...for the same reasons.

Different time...different place.

Prithy tell me the circumstances and terms of the proposed merger between ALPA and the IACP.

(I'll play Mr. Peabody to your Sherman when you're done proving you don't have a clue what you're talking about)

 

[Boeing747Driver]

The Punic Wars also had very little impact on bauxite exports from Namibia...for the same reasons.

Different time...different place.

Prithy tell me the circumstances and terms of the proposed merger between ALPA and the IACP.

(I'll play Mr. Peabody to your Sherman when you're done proving you don't have a clue what you're talking about)

Oh I get it. ALPA Scab member by merger. Thanks for letting me know how smart you think you are. We have made full circle again. Let them back in for the money.

 

[BigMeat]

Boeing747 someone else asked the question of what would you do? Well? If you have some other way to resolve the issues we have please say so. Otherwise people that complain with no plan of action just make me sick. I guess you may thing the best way to handle it is to be a management pet and hope they take care of you. Here is a scrap little puppy! Good boy! I would rather be an ALPA brown noser. Again what would you do. How would you change it? The best idea we have on the table right now is to support ALPA. Go to meetings and volunteer. And please dont call me son. Your not my father and if you were I would have taken a shovel to you in your sleep a long time ago. Okay "Dad".

 

[PCL_128]

Oh I get it. ALPA Scab member by merger. Thanks for letting me know how smart you think you are. We have made full circle again. Let them back in for the money.

No, you don't "get it." The only way to get enough votes for a merger of the IACP with ALPA was to assure the SCABs that they would be accepted back into the Association. Without that assurance from ALPA, the SCABs were a large enough voting block within the IACP to veto the merger. So, as Occam said, we would have abandoned the loyal CAL pilots that put their careers on the line with a strike just so we could tell the SCABs to go to hell. It's certainly not an easy decision to make, but I think Occam and the rest of the BOD made the right decision.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

Boeing747 someone else asked the question of what would you do? Well? If you have some other way to resolve the issues we have please say so. Otherwise people that complain with no plan of action just make me sick. I guess you may thing the best way to handle it is to be a management pet and hope they take care of you. Here is a scrap little puppy! Good boy! I would rather be an ALPA brown noser. Again what would you do. How would you change it? The best idea we have on the table right now is to support ALPA. Go to meetings and volunteer. And please dont call me son. Your not my father and if you were I would have taken a shovel to you in your sleep a long time ago. Okay "Dad".

I never called you son. Unless you have multiple screen names.
Please explain yourself.

ALPA is a broken organization.
Until we have a national union with a national seniority list and pay rates we are up poop crick. If we had a single collective group covering all airlines imagine the leverage we would have. Pay rates standard across the airlines. Problem at airline x then there is a problem with all carriers. Airline furloughs then the pilots get jobs at other union carriers period prior to off street hiring. ALPA is still running under the pre deregulation structure when you got a job and were set for life. Failure to adapt to the changing times is a fundamental problem.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

No, you don't "get it." The only way to get enough votes for a merger of the IACP with ALPA was to assure the SCABs that they would be accepted back into the Association. Without that assurance from ALPA, the SCABs were a large enough voting block within the IACP to veto the merger. So, as Occam said, we would have abandoned the loyal CAL pilots that put their careers on the line with a strike just so we could tell the SCABs to go to hell. It's certainly not an easy decision to make, but I think Occam and the rest of the BOD made the right decision.

No Comment!

 

[ferlo]

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[ferlo]

Oh I get it. ALPA Scab member by merger. Thanks for letting me know how smart you think you are. We have made full circle again. Let them back in for the money.

You mean pseudo intellectualism and obscure references are meaningless to legitimate trade unionism????!!!!!

 

[Boeing747Driver]

You mean pseudo intellectualism and obscure references are meaningless to legitimate trade unionism????!!!!!

Wow you are killing me with those big words. LOL:beer:

ALPA does some things very well and others not so well. I think I did read pseudo intellectualism in the bylaws. :smash:

Have a great day.

 

[VeeOne]

Yea for ALPO.

Depends on how much you are willing to bleed...............

 

[CopilotDoug]

Any thoughts on Prater's comments? Anyone?

 

[Occam's Razor]

You mean pseudo intellectualism and obscure references are meaningless to legitimate trade unionism????!!!!!

If you don't understand it, that could explain a lot of things:

1. The flashing "1200" on your VCR.
2. Your WWF t-shirt collection.
3. Why post #84 is the best you've ever done.
4. The trophy on your desk for "High Score - Mario Kart"
5. The bright orange color of the helmet you wore on the short bus to/from school.
6. The 100 you scored on the SAT Verbals.
7. The brass plaque with your name on the fry vat at McDonald's.


As soon as you start referencing union work in the first-person, you can start judging the men in the arena. Until then...get back to the shallow end!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

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Not sure what you mean by ALPA cheerleaders turning it into min wage. the ALPA guys want to get the profession back... it is nay sayers like you that make it difficult... you are either helping to move the ball down field or your against the profession. Care to choose?

Well,Sunshine?? What's it gonna be?? We're waiting.....



PHXFLYR[/quote]

I asked you on the AWA/AAA thread what your solution was... did I miss you or are you still working on it...