PCL pays NWA penalty for not fulfilling schedule

[norskman2]

Great article in Mpls. Star Tribune today on the race for the bottom and how both regionals and majors no longer have enough staff to fulfill their schedules.

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1328757.html

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Too bad Vance left to drive trucks. He was a good guy...

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Too bad Vance left to drive trucks. He was a good guy...

He is with SkyWest these days and still a very good guy

 

[EMB170Pilot]

He is with SkyWest these days and still a very good guy

That's what he ment...

Sorry, I had too

 

[DoinTime]

He is with SkyWest these days and still a very good guy

He aint with Skywest anymore.

 

[Smarta$$]

At the end, the article says that one airline was considering paying for students tuition (probably Pinnacle). WHY NOT JUST RAISE THE PAY!

 

[Mr Wu]

How long will it be before Pinnacle management realizes that they can't staff 2 seperate airlines and try and force a merger of the pilot groups?

 

[Papps]

Aviation only works if there are way more pilots than jobs. If there is an abundance of pilots we just end up subsidizing the cost of doing business out of our own pockets. If there is a shortage of pilots the system grinds to a halt.

If you are routinely driving pilots out of the business because of QOL, or working them into chronic fatigue, or cant afford to pay a living wage after year 1 you aren't charging enough for your services, and may soon be shutting your doors due to lack of employees.

Aviation is has always had pilot shortages alternating with job shortages, but this time its different. Less people are training to do this job, but there are more planes to fly.

Most pilots are disgusted with the fear mongering and profiteering that the airlines demonstrated after 9/11. The imposed contracts were no better than the guys that were charging 8 bucks a gallon for gas on 9/12/01.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

Pinnacle may have to pay 1.1 million but they save much more than that by paying low wages and working their pilots to FAA limits and beyond when possible. They have no regard for famlies or their employee's personal life BECAUSE they know after they use them up and they quit the next recuit will step in to "live the dream."

 

[i fly boxes]

sad but true

 

[Hulk Hogan]

I actually heard XJ was considering the pay for training stuff ... or maybe not ... can't remember for sure but I heard something on this topic a few weeks back.

 

[Flyer1015]

PT the Clown's model is to run the airline understaffed.

He even got the "Clown of the Year" award for submitting that idea to the Pinnacle Board members.

 

[BOHICAgain]

At the end, the article says that one airline was considering paying for students tuition (probably Pinnacle). WHY NOT JUST RAISE THE PAY!

They should offer to pay the student loans of pilots plus 35 bucks an hour 1st year. Then you would see people actually stay with them.

 

[Lazy8]

How's everyone liking pref bid?

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Perhaps 9E should follow NWA's example of sick calls. That would cost much more than $1.1 million.

And before you start, I don't want to hear the RLA/ALPA "it's illegal" argument. Has anyone at NWA lost their job or union leaders been fined?

 

[urflyingme?!]

Nope
Nwa Pilots Have Balls, Heres To Them

 

[bluefishbeagle]

Perhaps 9E should follow NWA's example of sick calls. That would cost much more than $1.1 million.

And before you start, I don't want to hear the RLA/ALPA "it's illegal" argument. Has anyone at NWA lost their job or union leaders been fined?

Pinnacle pilots will get nowhere until they learn to stage leagl job actions to put pressure on management. And if that doesn't work.

Carry a ball bat and everytime they walk by PT give him a couple of wacks across the knee caps.

 

[Inconceivable]

bluefish beagle,

are you North Alabama-based, formerly "The Wings of Man"?

 

[DoinTime]

Perhaps 9E should follow NWA's example of sick calls. That would cost much more than $1.1 million.

And before you start, I don't want to hear the RLA/ALPA "it's illegal" argument. Has anyone at NWA lost their job or union leaders been fined?

Sick calls, when weighed against block hours, are not significantly up at NWA. Nobody is being charged with illegal job action because there is no job action taking place. NWA management is just using this as an excuse to take the blame off of where it belongs.

 

[XJohXJ]

When someone is pushed to the physical/mental/fatigue limits, and then call in sick, it is an entirely legal and legitimate sick call. Therefore, it is not a job action.

 

[BoilerUP]

Last month it was because of "large delays in the east coast earlier in the month". This month it is "pilot absenteeism".

I'm guessing fthe excuse for August on the press release won't be "management failure"...because that wouldn't be good for the stock price, now would it?

 

[A-Track]

That's funny, NWA can't even staff their own flights yet they fine the regionals for improper staffing.

 

[jmreii]

The only sure way to solve this problem will be for the public to say I have had enough, and I will vote with my feet and Louis Vuitton.

USAir came into California and bought Pacific Southwest Airlines that had good customer service, change that service to poor service and California slammed USAir. Hello Southwest.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Perhaps 9E should follow NWA's example of sick calls. That would cost much more than $1.1 million.

And before you start, I don't want to hear the RLA/ALPA "it's illegal" argument. Has anyone at NWA lost their job or union leaders been fined?

I'd rather fly now and take the month of Dec off! 1000 hours guarantees you'll be home for Christmas! As for the contract ... I don't think NWA wants 9E and XJ anywhere close to having the same ammedable dates. Look at the way the controll the two of us. One is happy the other is misearable.

 

[Papps]

I'd rather fly now and take the month of Dec off! 1000 hours guarantees you'll be home for Christmas! As for the contract ... I don't think NWA wants 9E and XJ anywhere close to having the same ammedable dates. Look at the way the controll the two of us. One is happy the other is misearable.

Most airlines wont let you time out, they will start taking away legs in October/November and give you some nice 5 hour sits in domicile.

They do that so even if you killed yourself all year for them, they can still ensure you will be in a hotel room on x-mas eve.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

bluefish beagle,

are you North Alabama-based, formerly "The Wings of Man"?

yes to the first and no to the second

 

[Schwanker]

Nope
Nwa Pilots Have Balls, Heres To Them

Unfortunately, most of them look like dried up raisons--only smaller!

Schwanker
NWA Absentee on Military Duty

 

[PCL_128]

Perhaps 9E should follow NWA's example of sick calls. That would cost much more than $1.1 million.

And before you start, I don't want to hear the RLA/ALPA "it's illegal" argument. Has anyone at NWA lost their job or union leaders been fined?

DoinTime is absolutely right. There hasn't been any illegal job action at NWA. That's just the excuse that Steenland and his cronies feed to the press. Seen any lawsuit filed against the Association from NWA? Of course not, because nothing illegal is taking place. They'll try to play it up to the press, but they've got no facts to back them up.

An actual illegal sick-out could cost the Association tens of millions of dollars, and it will do absolutely nothing to help your cause.

 

[TurboAWD]

Pinnacle may have to pay 1.1 million but they save much more than that by paying low wages and working their pilots to FAA limits and beyond when possible.

I think mgmt at 9E believes that, but I believe it is questionable at best, if you include training, recuiting, and other costs associated with the FO exedous at 9E.

They have no regard for famlies or their employee's personal life

now that IS true.

Turbo

 

[Flyer1015]

Since when do Clowns (running an airline) care about their employees' personal lives?


<------- Just look at that pic. He should have joined a circus instead of an airline. Bet you a dollar that in his mind, he DID join a circus! [as far as management is concerned]