SWA pool question

[sf34dvr]

What determines placement in the pool? If hired in July DB with the type would I be senior to a June poolie without the type by the July DB date? A May poolie? Is pool senority determined by interview date, age or DB date? With and without type?
Thanks

 

[Razor_B]

Your pool date is your interview date if you interviewed with the type. Otherwise it will be the date you get the type. So yes, you would be senior.

 

[obadie]

Anyone know how big the pool is? Is there anyway to tell where you are in the pool?

 

[328dude]

300+ as of the last DB. Only way to find out is to call, but they can give you only an estimate of when you would have a class date.

 

[flypirate24]

Just talked to the people dept at SWA, the August and September class rosters are depedent on some Military guys who interviewed early in the year, but had availablilty dates of September or later this year. The last class for the year will be Sep 19, my question is how is the military on releasing those of people early. Or does the military usually hold firm to the date of original release.

 

[klr1395]

Believe me, the military will hold people until the end of their obligations according to title 10 law. The variable comes with coordinating terminal leave/TAD and some CO's wavering with what they will grant. Fortunately in my case (Feb 13th interview WITH type) my skipper was helpful because he wants SWA on retirement as well, and I have been told to expect the Sept 5th class and that it will be firmed up in early Aug. Cheers, klr

 

[flypirate24]

Thanks Klr

 

[Quiet Flight]

The last class for the year will be Sep 19,...

The last "Scheduled" class is currently 9/19. I'd look for them to add several more through the end of the year. Deliveries for '07 alone will dictate that.

Just my opinion.

 

[FCNelson]

The last "Scheduled" class is currently 9/19. I'd look for them to add several more through the end of the year. Deliveries for '07 alone will dictate that.

Just my opinion.

Hi Quiet Flight,

Thanks for your optimistic response.
I hope your predictions are ~ accurate.
You seem to be writing from solid reasoning.

It barely three months ago, on April 18th, that SWA lowered their PIC minimums to 1000, from 1300.

I did my 737 type shortly thereafter......

Now, they stop hiring....maybe in another three months they'll start interviewing

Also - how was that note that the People Dept sent explaining things distributed? Was that sent to people who have active applications, or was it emailed to another list? I'm trying to figure out why I didn't get one.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer.

FCN

 

[Flyarcticcat]

Hi Quiet Flight,

Thanks for your optimistic response.
I hope your predictions are ~ accurate.
You seem to be writing from solid reasoning.

It barely three months ago, on April 18th, that SWA lowered their PIC minimums to 1000, from 1300.

I did my 737 type shortly thereafter......

Now, they stop hiring....maybe in another three months they'll start interviewing

Also - how was that note that the People Dept sent explaining things distributed? Was that sent to people who have active applications, or was it emailed to another list? I'm trying to figure out why I didn't get one.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer.

FCN

I believe it was sent out to people who had already RSVP to SW open house.

 

[AlbieF15]

Point of order:

There is no seniority in a pool. You may THINK you have seniority, and generaly speaking they pull people out in the order of their hiring and type rating date. However--you are not an employee, a union member, or anything at this point but a guy with a promise.

SWA has kept their promises over the years--that's the good news. But I wouldn't be surprised if a few names go out of the order you think is "fair" based on circumstances you are not aware of...

Not meant to sound mean-spirited--just reminding everyone to keep all options open and keep your day jobs....

Good luck!

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Your pool date is your interview date if you interviewed with the type. Otherwise it will be the date you get the type. So yes, you would be senior.

To piggy back on a some of what Albie said, your pool date is "generally" your interview date (if you had the type) or the date you got the type, but they are NOT firm pool dates.

In my class at HPA, we had about 6 that were "pre-hires". We all received our types over 2 days, yet were were given class dates that were spread over about a month (4 classes I think). There were people in my SWA class that received their types almost a full month after we did at HPA, all while there will still guys from my HPA class waiting for a class date. I was two months from my type date to class, while there were others that were just over a month.

So, you can generally plan on when you are going to get into class by when you get your type, but I wouldn't been surprised if you hear someone getting their type after you is in class before you. There are a lot of dynamics behind the scenes that go into a class makeup.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'm not trying to rain on anybodys parade but we generally DO stop hiring in the fall of the year. They use the excess from the summer beef-up (higher vacation and sick call rates) to get thru the leaner fall where guys are picking up more and flying more of their original line.

You can be for sure they won't run 3 or 4 classes a month even if they do hire into the fall months.

Gup

 

[BVT94]

Seniority in the pool is alphabetical....Seniority in class is by age. Good Luck!

 

[328dude]

Seniority in the pool is alphabetical

Why would you say something so stupid just to aggrevate people with this crap?

 

[BVT94]

Why would you say something so stupid just to aggrevate people with this crap?

I'm not trying to aggravate anyone. I've been told by more than one person that the pool is alphabetical. Please enlighten us if you know how it works.

 

[firstthird]

BVT94,
you've been told wrong. Back in the day, your pool date was either your interview date or your type rating date, whichever was later.

There was a little movement around that based on the 'mix' that the People department wants in each class, but the pool list we ran back from 2002-2004 was close to right on and that was the methodology.

This has been stated before in this very thread, which is why people might think you are stirring the pot unnecessarily.

 

[328dude]

The pool dates work two ways depending on your background. If you interview and pass the DB with a type, your pool date is the date you interviewed. If you pass the DB without the type, your pool date is the date in which you pass your type ride and notify the company.

The DB calls are based on alphabetically listed last names.

Didn't mean to jump on ya pardner

 

[RedDogC130]

The DB calls are based on alphabetically listed last names.

Not true. I had a friend on the same day as me get the call before me and his name is after mine. I assume you are tlkaing about when each asst cp calls, they are going by letter. Which still does not mean anything because each may call at a different time. just a thought.

 

[Loosediamondfl]

Just had an interview for FA. Almost 2 weeks ago. They already emailed some back there no thanks but thanks letters. We were told they need us bad for LAS. Have ya heard anything about FA's?

 

[FatesPawn]

I'm not trying to aggravate anyone. I've been told by more than one person that the pool is alphabetical. Please enlighten us if you know how it works.

Because if the pool was alphabetical, Mr. Zxxxxx would NEVER get a class date as long as there were Mr. Axxxx's and Mr. Bxxxx's still interviewing.

-fate

 

[BVT94]

Because if the pool was alphabetical, Mr. Zxxxxx would NEVER get a class date as long as there were Mr. Axxxx's and Mr. Bxxxx's still interviewing.

-fate

It was explained to me that you are dropped in the pool alphabetical per decision board, then resorted by age for class. So then Mr. W would still get a class before Mr. A in the next D.B. Who knows, could be total B.S.....

 

[FatesPawn]

It was explained to me that you are dropped in the pool alphabetical per decision board, then resorted by age for class.

Could be right... who knows...

So, what you originally meant to say was each DB gets dumped in the pool alphabetically... at the bottom of the pool. Right? Perhaps an edit is in order?

-fate

 

[328dude]

Ok, to put this to rest, I called and got the facts from the PD. My original assesment was correct. However, the calls are listed via alphabetical order on the call list, but split up between the chief pilots. So say one gets A-G and some else gets H-M and so on. Some will have multiple letters of A and usually go down the list. However, some will mix it up just to be that guy.

 

[RedDogC130]

makes sense to me

 

[AlbieF15]

Actually, you are called by alphabetically by your callsign.

Mine is "Albie". I dub the rest of you "Zonker"

 

[Schiphol]

Just for everyone's general info.

I have it on fairly solid authority that there is no 'plan' to start interviewing again any sooner than Jan 08. I think that has been published elsewhere on here, but I just wanted to put it out there again.

Additional 'solid' rumor is that typed applicants are at the very very top of the stack for when they start making calls again.

Good luck to all those swimming and those of us standing on the edge of the pool staring longingly at the cool blue waters.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Also - how was that note that the People Dept sent explaining things distributed? Was that sent to people who have active applications, or was it emailed to another list? I'm trying to figure out why I didn't get one.

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer.

FCN

I was wondering about this as well. I have recently updated my application but I did not receive a letter or email about them ceasing to hire. I even double checked that my app had a correct email address and looked in my spam folder multiple times.
I think someone posted that this email was sent to people who had signed up for the open house. Perhaps that was accurate.

anxiously awaiting a second chance...