legs/day at SWA?

[LearAv8r]

You probably would have got another $200,00.00 if management didn't take those huge bonus'....

Deploy parachute!!!!

 

[GuppyWN]

General,

Captain pay for 6 year guys is $186.45/hr. Straight time. No fuzzy math.

Gup

 

[SWA/FO]

Also, you are forgetting that our current 12 year 737 Captains got a check from our BK claim sale for about $350,000. One check, and after taxes and filling their 2006/2007 401Ks, they probably got $200,000 in cash. And, our pension payment is due soon, probably another $100,000. Can you add that to our lower wages? We also get an 11% raise each month thanks to those 401Ks being full and the company still having to contribute 11% (9% for the DC fund and 2% matching for our 401K)---so we also have an 11% raise to that same pay rate. Please add that and see how that goes.

Just think if Southwest went through bankruptcy!!! We would all get checks in the mail! Probably 1,000,000 each. With all that money why did Delta go bankrupt in the first place? What are they printing money is ATL? Is this what that dude is talking about on Sunday mornings? "I just sit at home and the checks roll in."

Great money like that what did you give up, besides your future?

 

[scoreboard]

How long, in reality, could it take you to make $198 an hour Bye Bye--General Pee

Dude, you airlines going to be bankrupt AGAIN before you ever see those rates. Good luck with that.

 

[328dude]

To much fuzzy math over there. Dosen't help the new hire one bit. Let's see, I got a check for $25 dollars in gift certificates to Barnes and Nobles. Can I add that as income too?

Wow, fly 8 hours in an airplane watching the autopilot and sharing bunkbeds, just to see Paris? No thanks. Who changes the sheets over there? Certainly not the holy grail Delta pilot's....

 

[RollinOnMy22sYo]

We already know you guys get naked in the cockpit for new stews...... And for newhires at DL it will be less than the 9-10 years now at DL (thanks to no growth for 5 years after 9-11).

Yeah, the water is still blue over the atlantic, and the babes still walk near the Arc de Triumph in Paris. Are Lubbock, Armadillo, Midland, and Harlingen still holes?


Bye Bye--General Lee

I've spent enough time in Paris AND LBB to tell you in no uncertain terms, the women in LBB are by FAR more attractive, friendlier, sweeter, and practice far, FAR better personal hygiene than the women in Paris.

Parisian girls: Body hair, 3 day old underwear and cigarettes that could double as insecticide, all doused in Chanel perfume. But on the plus side, their 3 day old underwear is generally very stylish.

9 - 10 yr upgrades? Maybe so, but I've got a good friend at DAL who's been there 7+ years, and is bouncing back and forth between line holder and reserve as a 737 FO.

 

[On Your Six]

Dude, you airlines going to be bankrupt AGAIN before you ever see those rates. Good luck with that.

Great debating effort. Thanks for wasting our time.

I know several SWA pilots and most are happy to be there (no surprise) - but many are either tired or bored by now after several years. That type of flying will do that to a person - it is not an old-timers game. I agree that GL is over-zealous and a bit ridiculous at times, but I find many of these responses to be more emotional than factual - and that says a lot.............

 

[General Lee]

Just think if Southwest went through bankruptcy!!! We would all get checks in the mail! Probably 1,000,000 each. With all that money why did Delta go bankrupt in the first place? What are they printing money is ATL? Is this what that dude is talking about on Sunday mornings? "I just sit at home and the checks roll in."

Great money like that what did you give up, besides your future?

See, you really don't understand the situation, and that makes you look dumb. Delta issued new stock claims to creditors, and we were one of the largest creditors since we gave up the most compared to any group of employees (overall). We, along with all of the other creditors (Boeing, PBGC, Coke) got 60 cents on the dollar for our shares, compared with United creditors getting about 25 cents on the dollar. That is how we did so well. We also negotiated for our pension dump, besides getting a new DC program giving us 9% of our monthly take home pay in a seperate fund, in our own names.

And did we really give up our future? We got set raises, our company is in better shape, and we have another shot at getting a nice chunk of that "lost money" back in the future. We want you to keep your high pay, so we can compare it to our 777 Captain pay (compare it to your smaller 737 pay) and then go from there. Keep it up pardner!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Dude, you airlines going to be bankrupt AGAIN before you ever see those rates. Good luck with that.

Really, that was dumb. We cleaned house financially and have more cash in the bank then you do. And, the LCC onslaught will squeeze you guys too---have fun with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I've spent enough time in Paris AND LBB to tell you in no uncertain terms, the women in LBB are by FAR more attractive, friendlier, sweeter, and practice far, FAR better personal hygiene than the women in Paris.

Parisian girls: Body hair, 3 day old underwear and cigarettes that could double as insecticide, all doused in Chanel perfume. But on the plus side, their 3 day old underwear is generally very stylish.

9 - 10 yr upgrades? Maybe so, but I've got a good friend at DAL who's been there 7+ years, and is bouncing back and forth between line holder and reserve as a 737 FO.

I am glad you think the women in LBB are cuter than those in Paris. I love those models in LBB-- they do great walking down the catwalk, of dung. Good, you go get um!

Our junior Captain in NYC is a 98 hire. We are getting 13-15 more 757s from AA (the first two just arrived, at two per month), 6 777LRs next year alone (do you know how many people have to fly those since they all do ultra long haul flying? 4 pilots per flight--2 Captains and 2 FOs), 20 737-700s within the next couple years, and maybe 20 or so MD90s from China if the deal goes through. A lot of upgrading could happen soon. I am waiting for my 738 upgrade, and then the 757/767, and then the 787 if we get them, and 777, and Space Shuttle, etc.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Boy...didn't this one degenerate rather quickly....

 

[General Lee]

To much fuzzy math over there. Dosen't help the new hire one bit. Let's see, I got a check for $25 dollars in gift certificates to Barnes and Nobles. Can I add that as income too?

Wow, fly 8 hours in an airplane watching the autopilot and sharing bunkbeds, just to see Paris? No thanks. Who changes the sheets over there? Certainly not the holy grail Delta pilot's....

SWA/FO was trying to compare his 6 year FO payscale to mine. So, you got a $25 dollar gift certificate from Barnes and Nobles (for Harry Potter probably)? Wow. It is hard for you to fathom that I got $170,000 from a claim sale. (the pilots were creditors since we gave up more pay than other employees) The USAir guys got a $4400 bonus check for Xmas according to one of them I talked to. I then told him about our senior Captains getting $400,000 checks (without the upcoming Pension dump check). He nearly flipped his lid. If this is hard for you to understand then I can easily lay it out for you again.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Boy...didn't this one degenerate rather quickly....

I have to respond to all of the completely idiotic responses I get. And, as you know, I can keep it going if they want me to. I would prefer to stop. This thread was just too good to pass up without one response. Look at the title.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

a few questions for those at swa. how many legs/day do you guys average?(3-4 system wide. Dallas folks maby 4/day with 5-6 on one day) how many equivelant flight hours do you average/month (82-86)? is it common to have a lighter final day so the commute is easier home (yes, my final day gets done at 12:30 pm this week)? thanks

Average line has about 17-18 days off with 102 trips for pay. It is very simple to turn that line into 17 days off and 110-115 TFP. I am in year two ($77.45/trip), average 17 days off with never less than 16 days off, and 115TFP. The blank lines I will bid for August will guarantee me 18 or 19 days off. If you want 15 days off, you can easily get 130-140 TFP. Hope this helps. BTW, ID card and health bennies from day one.

 

[nimtz]

I've spent enough time in Paris AND LBB to tell you in no uncertain terms, the women in LBB are by FAR more attractive, friendlier, sweeter, and practice far, FAR better personal hygiene than the women in Paris.

You forgot knocked up by 22 then bitter/fat/ divorced by 32...

 

[AlbieF15]

...wanker contests get so boring...

(And I always win...)

 

[Mach 80]

Really, that was dumb. We cleaned house financially and have more cash in the bank then you do. And, the LCC onslaught will squeeze you guys too---have fun with that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Delta generated $274 million (excluding one time gains associated with its emergence from bankruptcy) on $5 Billion revenue. (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6404151)

American generated $317 million profit on $5.88 Billion revenue. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...19jul19,0,4568167.story?coll=chi-business-hed)

Continental generated $228 million profit on $3.4 Billion revenue.
(http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-19-2007/0004628488&EDATE=)

Southwest generated $278 million profit on just $2.58 Billion revenue.

The Southwest Airlines business model produces a greater percentage of profit (nearly double in some cases) from each revenue dollar than the other three airlines mentioned. In this regard, SWA smokes 'em.

Delta - 5.48%
American - 5.39%
Continental - 6.51%
Southwest - 10.77%

 

[General Lee]

Delta generated $274 million (excluding one time gains associated with its emergence from bankruptcy) on $5 Billion revenue. (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6404151)

American generated $317 million profit on $5.88 Billion revenue. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...19jul19,0,4568167.story?coll=chi-business-hed)

Continental generated $228 million profit on $3.4 Billion revenue.
(http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-19-2007/0004628488&EDATE=)

Southwest generated $278 million profit on just $2.58 Billion revenue.

The Southwest Airlines business model produces a greater percentage of profit (nearly double in some cases) from each revenue dollar than the other three airlines mentioned. In this regard, SWA smokes 'em.

Delta - 5.48%
American - 5.39%
Continental - 6.51%
Southwest - 10.77%

That is wonderful. But, as the LCC model grows thanks to Virgin America, SkyBus, and others, Southwest will get squeezed. And, INTL travel is helping the legacies come back, with huge profits to be made, while domestic travel remains flat for everyone. How many large LCCs are there in the US? Southwest, Skybus, Virgin, Spirit, Jetblue, and Frontier? It will get mighty crowded soon for those low cost passengers.

Why is Southwest buying out so many employees? They seemed worried about something. Can you explain that?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Why is Southwest buying out so many employees? They seemed worried about something. Can you explain that?

Bye Bye--General Lee

Probably because we are taking precautionary measures to ensure financial stability with rising fuel costs, high LCC competition, and recovering legacies vs. driving the ship in to the ground and then opening our eyes, execs bail with billions, and then f-ing the employees and creditors to undo the problem. Sound familiar?

 

[RollinOnMy22sYo]

You forgot knocked up by 22 then bitter/fat/ divorced by 32...

Sounds more like the ATL girls.....

 

[Oh-ryan]

I thought I banged your wife in YOUR pool? And, your house was more like a Motel 6. Maybe Lagos would be an improvement for you. When you come back from your 6 LBB turns in a 3 day you probably fall asleep in your own pool. (pool of drool)



Bye Bye--General Lee

That's it! No more sex with Mrs. Guppy in Mr. Guppy's pool for me. There is way too much DNA floating around in that thing. There isn't enough chlorine or a pool filter powerful enough to properly sanitize that Guppy/General man goo cocktail.

 

[FDJ2]

Delta generated $274 million (excluding one time gains associated with its emergence from bankruptcy) on $5 Billion revenue. (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6404151)

American generated $317 million profit on $5.88 Billion revenue. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...19jul19,0,4568167.story?coll=chi-business-hed)

Continental generated $228 million profit on $3.4 Billion revenue.
(http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-19-2007/0004628488&EDATE=)

Southwest generated $278 million profit on just $2.58 Billion revenue.

The Southwest Airlines business model produces a greater percentage of profit (nearly double in some cases) from each revenue dollar than the other three airlines mentioned. In this regard, SWA smokes 'em.

Delta - 5.48%
American - 5.39%
Continental - 6.51%
Southwest - 10.77%

You might want to check your source for accuracy and compare apples to apples. Are you comparing profits, net income, pre tax net income, special items operating margins, operating income?

Delta's second quarter pre-tax income was $1.9 billion. Excluding reorganization and related items, pre-tax income was $373 million, a nearly $200 million improvement compared to the prior year period.(2)(3) -- Delta's operating income for the June 2007 quarter was $490 million, the company's fifth consecutive quarterly operating profit, reflecting an operating margin of 9.8 percent. Excluding reorganization and related items, operating income was $499 million, and operating margin was 10.0 percent.
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070718/123127.html

 

[Mach 80]

FDJ12,

I'll go back and check.

>>>Why is Southwest buying out so many employees? They seemed worried about something. Can you explain that?<<<<

General Lee,

One thing that separates SWA from other airlines is that other airlines run as airlines. Instead, Southwest runs as a business. By that, I mean that SWA is very concerned about profit margin and high profitability while other airlines just seem happy to stay in business even if it's with the help of the bankrupcy courts. It's as if the other airlines only exist as a means for their managements to reap all the benefits and heck with the employees, stockholders, and creditors. Southwest management has high standards for not just maintaining profitability, but high profitability. There is no problem with SWA remaining profitable, but in meeting the profitability goals and high standards they set for themselves. Profit margins that other airlines find acceptable is not acceptable to SWA mangement, thus the buyout.

 

[CA1900]

Lighten up CA1900. I didn't hire on because of the hotels and neither did you.

Lighten up yourself -- I was picking on the General, not SWA.

But to your point, the quality of hotels was actually one of the things that attracted me to this company. QOL on the road is not an insignificant thing.

 

[Mach 80]

FDJ2,

Maybe it's dated, but here's the latest on yahoo finance:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/co?s=DAL

Note the operating margins.

 

[328dude]

SWA/FO was trying to compare his 6 year FO payscale to mine. So, you got a $25 dollar gift certificate from Barnes and Nobles (for Harry Potter probably)? Wow. It is hard for you to fathom that I got $170,000 from a claim sale. (the pilots were creditors since we gave up more pay than other employees) The USAir guys got a $4400 bonus check for Xmas according to one of them I talked to. I then told him about our senior Captains getting $400,000 checks (without the upcoming Pension dump check). He nearly flipped his lid. If this is hard for you to understand then I can easily lay it out for you again.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Typical Delta pilot ranting about how much he got paid. Hard to belive, but if you say so, good luck with the divorce.

 

[SWA/FO]

a nice chunk of that "lost money"

I thought LOST money was lost money? Thats why they call it LOST.

 

[General Lee]

Typical Delta pilot ranting about how much he got paid. Hard to belive, but if you say so, good luck with the divorce.

Huh? Say what? Duh? Come again? I am pretty sure SWA/FO was bragging about his Southwest pay, and then stating "yeah boooyyyeeeee." Did that not happen? You sound like a typical SW pilot who can't debate squat and instead resorts to name calling. Hey, just for the record, a lot of people actually DON'T want to fly for your company, not because of the money, but rather because of the regional type rosters and lack of variety(domestic/INTL, aircraft type etc). It's ok, you will still survive, though. Good luck.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I thought LOST money was lost money? Thats why they call it LOST.

Didn't you say it came from the company and why you asked we actually went BK? This money we got was from investors buying into a new DL---a CLAIM SALE. You are making yourself look slow.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

FDJ12,

I'll go back and check.

>>>Why is Southwest buying out so many employees? They seemed worried about something. Can you explain that?<<<<

General Lee,

One thing that separates SWA from other airlines is that other airlines run as airlines. Instead, Southwest runs as a business. By that, I mean that SWA is very concerned about profit margin and high profitability while other airlines just seem happy to stay in business even if it's with the help of the bankrupcy courts. It's as if the other airlines only exist as a means for their managements to reap all the benefits and heck with the employees, stockholders, and creditors. Southwest management has high standards for not just maintaining profitability, but high profitability. There is no problem with SWA remaining profitable, but in meeting the profitability goals and high standards they set for themselves. Profit margins that other airlines find acceptable is not acceptable to SWA mangement, thus the buyout.

Mach 80,

That is great and all, and I wish other businesses ran as "businesses" and actually stuck it to the passenger when costs got higher, instead of sticking it to the loyal employees. It happens in every industry. But, when businesses become too much like a business, then those employees tend to leave and then you are left with disloyal employees who just don't care. I don't think we have gotten there yet, thanks to the USAir attempted buyout that was thwarted and the show of support that we had. Southwest seems to still have that spirit, although a buyout of loyal employee contracts, and replacement of those employees with new, cheaper ones, could eventually do some harm to that family of yours. It could be the beginning of change. Good luck to you.


Bye Bye--General Lee