ASTAR Air Cargo Sets Deadline for ABX Air

[rotor&wing]

ASTAR Air Cargo Sets Deadline for ABX Air, Inc. Response

MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--John Dasburg, the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of ASTAR Air Cargo Holdings, LLC sent the following letter dated July 16, 2007 to the board of directors of ABX Air, Inc. (NASDAQ:ABXA):
July 16, 2007
The Board of Directors of ABX Air, Inc.
c/o W. Joseph Payne, Secretary
145 Hunter Drive
Wilmington, Ohio 45177
Gentlemen:
As you know, I have had general discussions with your chief executive officer, Joe Hete, since December 2006 about the possibility that ASTAR might acquire your company. As you also know, Mr. Hete cancelled a previously scheduled meeting with me in June 2007 to discuss our interest. On June 26, 2007, I then sent a letter to you to indicate ASTAR's interest in acquiring all the shares of ABX at a price of $7.75, subject to certain conditions.
To date, neither I nor any ASTAR board member, executive, or adviser has received any response from you, ABX's management, or any advisers acting on behalf of ABX. I therefore wish to inform you that ASTAR will withdraw the indication of interest described in my letter of June 26 unless we receive a meaningful response from ABX or its advisers by the close of business on Wednesday, July 18.
Very truly yours,
John H. Dasburg

 

[inplaneview]

Good! I hope Joe ignores him. I fail to see how this merger is in our (ABX pilots') best interest.

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

A merger is the best option for both pilot groups - an airline in effect controlled by DHL efficiently flying DHL freight. Without it Astar will soldier on and ABX will pursue ever more asinine adventures in Asia.

 

[shooter]

A merger is the best option for both pilot groups - an airline in effect controlled by DHL efficiently flying DHL freight. Without it Astar will soldier on and ABX will pursue ever more asinine adventures in Asia.

no it's not. It's only the best option for the Astar group and the senior ABX group. I thought it was a Brotherhood at ABX, not eat the young.

 

[fodc8]

I'm curious other than a merger between Astar and ABX. Where do the ABX guys think there headed? Asia? USA other than DHL? Where?? Dasburg's plan included ABX and all of it's employees. You may not like it but it creates a powerhouse at the barginning table and security for all of the pilots on both sides. Dasburg's plan to take over all of the flying in the US for DHL is moving forward. DHL has firmed up their support by buying 49% of the Airline. I will be very disappointed if Hete doesn't come to the table. Dasburg and DHL will pick ABX apart in the US over the remaining few years of the ABX ACMI and there no telling what they will try to do to replace ABX. This will not benefit either of our groups. I'm sure the Asia stuff is good but do all of you guys want to move there?

 

[abxdx]

Dasburg's plan included ABX and all of it's employees.





What dreamworld are you living in. Do you really think that Astar would keep all th pilots and operations people. The firstr thing they do will be to trim away all the fat, and I would make a bit there will be alot more trimmed from ABX then Astar...

 

[fodc8]

Well I'm sure Hete's plan is much better.

 

[shooter]

I'm curious other than a merger between Astar and ABX. Where do the ABX guys think there headed? Asia? USA other than DHL? Where?? Dasburg's plan included ABX and all of it's employees. You may not like it but it creates a powerhouse at the barginning table and security for all of the pilots on both sides. Dasburg's plan to take over all of the flying in the US for DHL is moving forward. DHL has firmed up their support by buying 49% of the Airline. I will be very disappointed if Hete doesn't come to the table. Dasburg and DHL will pick ABX apart in the US over the remaining few years of the ABX ACMI and there no telling what they will try to do to replace ABX. This will not benefit either of our groups. I'm sure the Asia stuff is good but do all of you guys want to move there?

I hope ABX continues to have DHL work, is where I think the best place for ABX to be headed. Along with finding other ACMI work like we currently fly for many other carriers. Dasburg and DHL have a plan? Please! DHL could not do it before, what makes you think they can do it now? They had to buy #3 in order to become #3 and they have squandered most of that business away. I do NOT want to see them squander away one great workforce that ABX has. And if you think half of the current ABX workers will be employed 2 years after this thing goes through, you are dreaming or tickling our butts with smoke. If ASTAR and DHL want to build an airline then go do it like ABX has. By buying out ABX you are just putting ABX employees out on the street because your management and DHL has a proven track record of destroying everything they touch in the US and ABX workers will be the fall guys for their ineptitude.

Sure, you would be disappointed if Hete does not come to the table. Because you know your group is not capable of getting a more modern fleet, or the capabilities ABX already has built. You just want your DHL cash to buy what your management could not get on their own. It’s your best shot. But don’t worry; Hete looks out for the stock holders so it will probably go through once the offer becomes realistic (I should say when there even is formal offer). I believe ABX to remain a stand alone company is best for ABX workers and hopefully DHL will part of that work. Let’s turn the tables, let’s get ABX to but out ASTAR. How do your junior guys feel about that? Knowing the 767 is the current aircraft of choice and last I looked, ASTAR has nothing modern on the field. Yeah, I can see why you want this to go through, at the cost of ABX guys not being able to upgrade or the ones to be put out on the street.

So let’s see, the ABX ACMI expires in 2010. Do you think ASTAR can get a fleet to replace ABX in that time? I bet NO. The Japan issue is a sore spot that has nothing to do ASTAR and DHL, yet. Let’s not muddy the water with that until we have to.

 

[fodc8]

You know at no point did I attack you or your group. It does seem that you could care less about anyone but yourself. I hope all ABX pilots don't feel that way. I do understand your desperation and I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I would suggest a therapist who can help you with your anger and hate issues.

 

[flyinboxes]

Hete's press release tomorrow better have some meat to it or the stockholders are going to run. I don't know where this headed more than anyone else, but it is far from over. You don't just "not respond" to 475 million in cash.

 

[Box-Hauler]

Basic business, DHL needs to consolidate, period. They are pissing away money like a sailor on shore leave. The best way to do it is buy an established airline (AKA ABX), stupid US law forbids competition (foreign ownership) like this. So we have Astar that is DHL controlled (but only 49%, yeah right) buy ABX. Instantly we have one airline, the way it was supposed to be. Will there be growing pains, yes.....will some people lose their jobs, yes, and in managements case this is not a bad thing...... long term this is whats best for DHL.

As for pilot jobs once the companies merge. ABX is understaffed now. Every month we have more retirements with no hiring. Not sure of Astar but even if they are fat in some planes they are short on others. Together I believe we would still be understaffed. There is also the time line of combining the unions, voting on representation, combining the contracts etc..... This all takes time. Not sure but the way I understand it is that this then becomes a status quo time frame, can you furlough during this time? But more importantly who will fly the boxes, you know the stuff that actually makes the money. Without crews the boxes don't go, the money does not get made and whoever is driving the ship will not get his/her bonus......... See basic business. And you though I slept through all those business classes.

As for Joe saving ABX I do not know. I do know he is not a "I have a dream" leader. His vision is .......... exactly I do not know either. He has never said what his dream or even his 5 year plan is. He is an accountant who is trying to be a CEO. Don't get me wrong lots of my family members are accountants, heck I started my college as an accountant, but we do not need an accountant, we need a CEO with dreams and goals that is being "reigned" in by an accountant.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Props for Box

Well said Box :beer:

FAJ

 

[ABXbooger]

Seriously, why can't you guys just read the original Astar proposal. It says right there that they have already negotiated an even further extension of their ACMI with DHL if the ABX buyout goes through. If that doesn't say DHL is behind this 10000000000% then I don't know what does.

If ABX doesn't take this offer or some other huge thing is in the works, DHL's biz is gone for ABX. As a junior pilot with ABX, I welcome this offer and hope I can finally look forward to a semi-stable career.

Look at the new proffer for KIX. Talk about a bunch of genius managers...do the words TITANIC FAILURE mean anything??

 

[shooter]

You know at no point did I attack you or your group. It does seem that you could care less about anyone but yourself. I hope all ABX pilots don't feel that way. I do understand your desperation and I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I would suggest a therapist who can help you with your anger and hate issues.

Wow, I don’t know why you guys always think I have hate and anger issues every time I post a reply. You guys need a thicker skin because I don’t know how to speak "puddie" cat. I did not speak ill of your group, just your management as well as DHL’s and I meant it. If you want to speak ill of ours you are more than welcome…..oh wait….you did.

Where do the ABX guys think there headed? Asia? USA other than DHL? Where??

Guess you lost management crew is just as lost as ours. And we are just holding on during the ride.

And I said that the deal will go through:

But don’t worry; Hete looks out for the stock holders so it will probably go through once the offer becomes realistic (I should say when there even is formal offer).

Dasburg just needs to get a deal on the table and make a formal offer. Once it reaches that magic mark Hete wants for the stockholders, then they have a vote.

If you don’t like the way I speak of how your management has kept you guys down, take it up with them because it’s the truth. If you don’t like the way I speak poorly of DHL, then tell them to get the Airborne business they lost back to fill these planes.

As far as acting all swell about ABX guys being out on the street, never gonna happen. There is nothing I can do about it, but I sure won’t be singing kumbaya while holding hands with ASTAR there chief. Sorry if that brings a tear to your eye, but this is the freight business and freight guys are not "dogs" because they are soft.

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

From the perspective of both the shareholder and employee a merger is the only way forward. Without a merger the ABX stock price along with employment opportunities will trend to zero as the airline shrinks. Charter work alone without DHL isn't going to keep the ABX ship afloat.

 

[inplaneview]

I pulled this off of the Yahoo site this morning:

Source: ABX Air, Inc.


ABX Air Responds to ASTAR's Letter Dated July 16, 2007
Tuesday July 17, 8:00 am ET


WILMINGTON, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The ABX Air (NASDAQ:ABXA - News) Board of Directors, consistent with its fiduciary duties and commitment to enhancing value for shareholders, has been conducting an evaluation of the indication of interest previously proposed by ASTAR on June 26, 2007. With the consultation of the Company's legal and financial advisors, the Board and management have conducted several meetings and conference calls to discuss ASTAR's indication of interest. The Board and its advisors are scheduled to meet again on Friday, July 20, 2007, and expect to have a response to ASTAR's indication of interest by next week.
Goldman, Sachs & Co. is acting as financial advisor to the Company. Sullivan & Cromwell is serving as legal counsel.

The Company responded to ASTAR with the following reply:

John H. Dasburg
Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President
ASTAR Air Cargo Holdings, LLC
2 South Biscayne Blvd. Suite 3663
Miami, Florida 33131

Dear John,

I am responding on behalf of the ABX Air Board of Directors
to your July 16 letter.

ABX Air's Board of Directors has engaged financial and legal
advisors to assist in its careful evaluation of ASTAR's $7.75
per share indication of interest. These advisors are
scheduled to meet with ABX Air's Board of Directors this
Friday, July 20, and I expect that ABX Air will have a
response to ASTAR's indication of interest by next week.

Very truly yours,

ABX Air, Inc.

Joseph C. Hete
President and Chief Executive Officer

 

[shooter]

From the perspective of both the shareholder and employee a merger is the only way forward. Without a merger the ABX stock price along with employment opportunities will trend to zero as the airline shrinks. Charter work alone without DHL isn't going to keep the ABX ship afloat.

I agree DHL is a major part of the ABX earnings picture. Here is my point....

you guys want the leverage to squeeze the jewels of DHL to get your better contract.
You say DHL will squeeze the jewels of ABX if they do not sell.
So why don't you guys have the jewels to squeeze DHL's jewels? They NEED ABX right now. There is no way they can run the operation without them right now. There is no way they can get the lift to ASTAR by the end of 2010. So you learn to play ball with the big boys or you go home without your own ball and bat because you could not take a stand. You tell them what YOU want. Hete did it with the 767's by not allowing them to have them at current ACMI rates. You tell them YOU are out of there at the end of 2010 unless they take an interest in ABX. If they say no, ride out the remaining 2 years and buy Pace (which is going to happen anyway) and run the pax operation along with the charters. We have more people wanting charter lift than we have aircraft.

Put the screws to DHL or we go on our own. And I bet ABX will have LESS people on the street than what ASTAR will put there. All the maintenance work will increase, charters will increase and DHL can run their operation into the ground all they want without ABX.

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

True shooter, but only up to a point. For the aggressive stand against DHL to work it's necessary for everyone ( management + worker trolls) at ABX to be onside - and we're not.

Your perceived future in charter flying comes at the price of flight crews being camped in foreign fields, and from the QOL perspective, it's just not on. Furthermore, I don't accept the default necessity of massive furloughs coupled with a merger.

I do however see the parking of the DC 9 fleet with no prospect for work should we go it alone. Nothing with which to feed those ABX young you mention in a previous post. Band of brothers we may aspire to be, but not unemployed ones.

Because of the reasons you state we do have considerable leverage. Better to use that leverage for an equitable deal under a merger than squander it for a slow death in the ACMI wilderness.

Of course, playing hardball with DHL through threats of discontinued service is a strategy decided above our pay levels. But if it's a successful one, why aren't the high and mighty using it? I suspect that shutting out DHL is the nuclear option - nice to know it's there but best not used.

 

[rotor&wing]

The one thing I can predict to be absolutely true : No matter what you, I and anyone else think about this pending deal, the only ones in control are the ABX BOD and AAC BOD. They'll make their decision then it will be up to the rest of us to work out the details.

 

[fodc8]

ASTAR Extends Deadline For ABX Response To July 27
Company Stands by "Full and Fair" Offer; Cites Unattractive Prospects for ABX Without ASTAR Transaction






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MIAMI, Jul 18, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- John Dasburg, the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of ASTAR Air Cargo Holdings, LLC sent the following letter to the board of directors of ABX Air, Inc. (ABXA : abx air inc com
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<IMG class=pixelTracking height=1 width=1 border=0>ABXA7.90, -0.05, -0.6%) in response to a letter received yesterday from Joseph C. Hete, President and Chief Executive Officer of ABX Air:
July 18, 2007 ABX Air, Inc. Board of Directors c/o W. Joseph Payne, Secretary 145 Hunter Drive Wilmington, Ohio 45177 Gentlemen: On July 17, 2007, I received a letter from ABX Air noting that the ABX Air board of directors will meet on July 20, 2007 with its legal and financial advisors and that ABX Air expects to have a response to ASTAR's indication of interest by next week. ASTAR has therefore decided to extend the deadline for receipt of a meaningful response to my June 26 letter until 4:30 p.m. (Wilmington, Ohio time) on Friday, July 27, 2007. Given the premium price (relative to pre- announcement market prices) we identified in my letter, and, in ASTAR's judgment, the unattractive future prospects for ABX in the absence of a transaction with ASTAR, we believe the price of $7.75 is a full and fair price and generous to the shareholders of ABX Air. Very truly yours, John Dasburg
About ASTAR Air Cargo Holdings, LLC.
ASTAR Air Cargo, Inc. is the operating subsidiary of ASTAR Air Cargo Holdings, LLC. ASTAR Air Cargo is a licensed U.S. air carrier operating a fleet of 45 aircraft from its operational hub in Wilmington, Ohio. The airline provides all-cargo scheduled and charter services on a contract basis for the DHL Worldwide Express network and charter services on a contract basis for other customers including the U.S. military and the United States Postal Service. ASTAR Air Cargo is a participant in the United States Civil Reserve Air Fleet program supporting our national defense. Additional information can be found at www.astaraircargo.us.
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[shooter]

Past, present and future?

I hear that ABX is currently purchasing 5 767-200’s from Air China and 10 more from American Airlines. Dasburg’s feeble offer of $7.75 needs to be increased to the $9-$10 range before ABX sells. It’s a desperate act from a desperate man to purchase ABX and trust the 20% of ABX that is owned by investor groups will think he is right about the future of ABX. ABX has a business plan that does not include DHL. The $64,000 question is: Will 2.5 years be enough to ramp up operations without DHL? Another thing to consider is that Red Mountain met with ABX to have a say in it’s operations last November, one month prior to Dasburg’s initial meeting with Hete to buy ABX. Red Mountain’s managing partner was a former partner of Goldman Sack’s, who ABX has hired to asses the company’s “true” value. Coincidence?

DHL recognizes it is in the throws of losing ABX as it’s main carrier unless it beefs up it’s ACMI profit percentage. So it throws some money into the smaller carrier, ASTAR, and tries to gain control ABX. DHL, making all the wise decisions as it has in the past regarding American operations, does not do it’s homework on Dasburg. Not realizing he was just an okay CFO and a disaster CEO. Northwest was plagued with labor problems and strikes while he was in charge and he left to go to Burger King which showed Dasburg the door after just 2 years of screwing up their already ailing company to save it from definite liquidation under his command. DHL, also not realizing that his poor actions and remedial handling of the interest to purchase ABX will further distance ABX from DHL contracts.

ABX and the BOD will gladly sell to ASTAR, but they will not give the company away. Customers are lined up to use ABX services and unless DHL increases it contract to match that ASTAR, ABX will gladly utilize future aircraft on more profitable business. Basic supply and demand: If ABX did not have the customers lined up, DHL would get the 767’s (like they want) and ABX would be grateful to have them flying. ASTAR knows it has outdated equipment that does not have the reliability or lower operating costs and knows it will not survive without attaching itself to the teat of mama DHL. ABX is a strong machine that does not need a teat, it provides for itself. It knows how to attract and service customers and continue to grow. Even if that growth morphs it into something other than it is now.

Then I see a repeat of the integration problems for DHL. They think they can do it, but needs to come back to ABX in order for it to work. But without securing work for ABX all the equipment s dedicated to others and DHL falls even farther down in the US market. UPS and FedEx are smiling all the way to the bank because all the past Airborne Express customers have now signed contracts with them. DHL becomes an even more rag-tag operator than they were before when they were in CVG. They continue to use the dumb-arse remote load planning system and all flights depart 5 hours late every morning. ASTAR employees seek self-help against Dasburg like Northwest employees did. I retire from aviation and smile every time I get a UPS delivery. Deutche Post shuts down US operations and uses UPS and FedEx to handle it’s international US freight. Okay maybe the last one was off, but the rest….oh yeah, ASTAR tries to sell itself off because it is in bankruptcy.

 

[Narco-leftseat]

Shooter,

You sound like a crying little girl. "Waahhh!!"...."God.....Please kill them !!"""...."Waaaah"

Why don't you wait until next week like the rest of us to see which direction ABX BOD take thier own future?

You probably did get one thing right though, Astar will go away,....when it is re-named DHL America.

Now apologize to your mother for throwing a tantrum, spank yourself, and go to bed.

 

[shooter]

Shooter,

You sound like a crying little girl. "Waahhh!!"...."God.....Please kill them !!"""...."Waaaah"

Why don't you wait until next week like the rest of us to see which direction ABX BOD take thier own future?

You probably did get one thing right though, Astar will go away,....when it is re-named DHL America.

Now apologize to your mother for throwing a tantrum, spank yourself, and go to bed.

wish in one hand and crap in the other....see which one fills up first narkee. I'll e sure to spank your wife for your tantrum. she like it like that.

 

[hvydriver]

I hear that ABX is currently purchasing 5 767-200’s from Air China and 10 more from American Airlines. Dasburg’s feeble offer of $7.75 needs to be increased to the $9-$10 range before ABX sells. It’s a desperate act from a desperate man to purchase ABX and trust the 20% of ABX that is owned by investor groups will think he is right about the future of ABX. ABX has a business plan that does not include DHL. The $64,000 question is: Will 2.5 years be enough to ramp up operations without DHL? Another thing to consider is that Red Mountain met with ABX to have a say in it’s operations last November, one month prior to Dasburg’s initial meeting with Hete to buy ABX. Red Mountain’s managing partner was a former partner of Goldman Sack’s, who ABX has hired to asses the company’s “true” value. Coincidence?

DHL recognizes it is in the throws of losing ABX as it’s main carrier unless it beefs up it’s ACMI profit percentage. So it throws some money into the smaller carrier, ASTAR, and tries to gain control ABX. DHL, making all the wise decisions as it has in the past regarding American operations, does not do it’s homework on Dasburg. Not realizing he was just an okay CFO and a disaster CEO. Northwest was plagued with labor problems and strikes while he was in charge and he left to go to Burger King which showed Dasburg the door after just 2 years of screwing up their already ailing company to save it from definite liquidation under his command. DHL, also not realizing that his poor actions and remedial handling of the interest to purchase ABX will further distance ABX from DHL contracts.

ABX and the BOD will gladly sell to ASTAR, but they will not give the company away. Customers are lined up to use ABX services and unless DHL increases it contract to match that ASTAR, ABX will gladly utilize future aircraft on more profitable business. Basic supply and demand: If ABX did not have the customers lined up, DHL would get the 767’s (like they want) and ABX would be grateful to have them flying. ASTAR knows it has outdated equipment that does not have the reliability or lower operating costs and knows it will not survive without attaching itself to the teat of mama DHL. ABX is a strong machine that does not need a teat, it provides for itself. It knows how to attract and service customers and continue to grow. Even if that growth morphs it into something other than it is now.

Then I see a repeat of the integration problems for DHL. They think they can do it, but needs to come back to ABX in order for it to work. But without securing work for ABX all the equipment s dedicated to others and DHL falls even farther down in the US market. UPS and FedEx are smiling all the way to the bank because all the past Airborne Express customers have now signed contracts with them. DHL becomes an even more rag-tag operator than they were before when they were in CVG. They continue to use the dumb-arse remote load planning system and all flights depart 5 hours late every morning. ASTAR employees seek self-help against Dasburg like Northwest employees did. I retire from aviation and smile every time I get a UPS delivery. Deutche Post shuts down US operations and uses UPS and FedEx to handle it’s international US freight. Okay maybe the last one was off, but the rest….oh yeah, ASTAR tries to sell itself off because it is in bankruptcy.

Geez Shooter,

I've been stayed quiet, 'cause from what I gather you'd be close to a _theoretical_ furlough if this merger goes through. That would suck, and I hope it doesn't happen to any of us. I figured you'd get it out of your system, but apparently not. It's amazing to me that everytime we try to make nice with ABX folks on boards, sooner or later, it gets down to _someone_ whining/unwarranted insults/revisionist history on what's actually been happening here the last 4 years. If you claim that your post isn't angry/insulting this time, I think you'd better seek some counseling. I'd put out our view of what actually has happened, (again) but I'm not going to do it, because I think we _all_need to put the pis*ing contests behind us, and focus on how to handle what the most realistic outcomes are for our 2 pilot groups. As in, what do we do if we merge, if we don't, will ABX generate enough revenue through outside charter, how big is the ANA deal going to get, etc. You know. Things that might help. Not divide. End of lecture.

 

[shooter]

Geez Shooter,

I've been stayed quiet, 'cause from what I gather you'd be close to a _theoretical_ furlough if this merger goes through. That would suck, and I hope it doesn't happen to any of us. I figured you'd get it out of your system, but apparently not. It's amazing to me that everytime we try to make nice with ABX folks on boards, sooner or later, it gets down to _someone_ whining/unwarranted insults/revisionist history on what's actually been happening here the last 4 years. If you claim that your post isn't angry/insulting this time, I think you'd better seek some counseling. I'd put out our view of what actually has happened, (again) but I'm not going to do it, because I think we _all_need to put the pis*ing contests behind us, and focus on how to handle what the most realistic outcomes are for our 2 pilot groups. As in, what do we do if we merge, if we don't, will ABX generate enough revenue through outside charter, how big is the ANA deal going to get, etc. You know. Things that might help. Not divide. End of lecture.

yeah, your right, I will be out on the street if this goes through. I thought about that and I am okay with it. So I figure, screw it. I hate ASTAR and think DHL is run by a bunch of idiots. I don't hate the workers of ASTAR, but your management. I would rather go work for someone else rather than them. I did not insult any worker, just the management. Then some grease-ball has been johnny come lately comes in and insults me and spews garbage about my mother. So, I have to take it out on his wife, if the loser can find a woman to put up with his loser butt. So, while I do not bite, I bite back. deal with it.

 

[AV8OR]

Shooter says..........
"ABX has a business plan that does not include DHL."

I agree. That's good. Yall run with that!

You don't need no stinkin' DHL. As a matter of fact, what you ought to do is send those same guys from 1224 who've gone over Brussels in the past, to go over there and really lettem' know where you stand.

Hey Joe, you payin' attention? This ole boy's got management puh'tential!

Playin chickin with the train. Guess we'll see how that works out.

 

[shooter]

Shooter says..........
"ABX has a business plan that does not include DHL."

I agree. That's good. Yall run with that!

You don't need no stinkin' DHL. As a matter of fact what ought to do is send those same guys from 1224 who've gone over Brussels in the past to go over there and really lettem' know where you stand.

Hey Joe, you payin' attention? This ole boy's got management puh'tential!

Playin chickin with the train. Guess we'll see how that works out.

and what is DHL's plan without ABX? buy more junk? 8's? 727's? Yep, better tell Dasburg you have puh'tential too, sport.

 

[AV8OR]

and what is DHL's plan without ABX? buy more junk? 8's? 727's? Yep, better tell Dasburg you have puh'tential too, sport.

Sport? Sport! You called me sport? Well....I never...

Anyway, I don't know what the plan is. You are the one predicting ABX king of the world and AStar and DHL's demise. Heck, you know all the answers, why don't you tell me what we're gonna buy? Right now all I know is who we're tryin to buy.

Dude I hope you're right. More power to ya!

You take care now.

 

[shooter]

Sport? Sport! You called me sport? Well....I never...

Anyway, I don't know what the plan is. You are the one predicting ABX king of the world and AStar and DHL's demise. Heck, you know all the answers, why don't you tell me what we're gonna buy? Right now all I know is who we're tryin to buy.

Dude I hope you're right. More power to ya!

You take care now.

ahhhh, now we get to the meat of my original post before one your own decided to throw insults my way.

I do not think ABX is king. I just think we are attractive to all prospects. DHL sees it and they want to buy it. As far as what you are going to buy....who knows what airline will be next. Your management is piss poor and your own union site states that. They can't come up with a business plan, a modern fleet etc. etc. so they try to buy one. If you do not see the danger in working for a group like that, I don't know what to say. ABX, it has a business plan. While they are far from the greatest team around, they know how to do their job. That IS what they get paid for right?

 

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ahhhh, now we get to the meat of my original post before one your own decided to throw insults my way.

Hmm... so, someone none of us has seen before comes in and tells you to "apologize to your mother for throwing a tantrum, and go spank yourself" is a comment worthy of the rants thus far? I won't even go into the presumption that whoever that is is one of us.

>You guys need a thicker skin because I don’t know how to speak "puddie" cat<

Seems to me taking your own advice might be in order, Shooter. Good luck.