Kennedy getting clogged!

[Ex737Driver]

That is what all the scabs at your airline said when they crossed the line. You are real brave when its time to slam LCC's but you can't police your own problem.

Since I was in high school in 1983, what ploice action do you think I should take. Tear gas or riot squad? Hey, JB took an opportunity in NYC with ultra low costs as thier mantra and now DAL is fighting back with gridlock that affects JB more than DAL. Don't quite see how this is scab related, just business related. Come to EWR and I'll piss in your Cheerios.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Come on Ex.... You don't think this could happen to you at CAL?

Of course............happening right now with USA 3000, JBLU, 'lavion(screw the french), silverjet, etc. You really don't think it takes 1:45 to go from EWR-DCA at 15:30 in the afternoon, do ya?

 

[HomerJ]

Since I was in high school in 1983, what ploice action do you think I should take. Tear gas or riot squad? Hey, JB took an opportunity in NYC with ultra low costs as thier mantra and now DAL is fighting back with gridlock that affects JB more than DAL. Don't quite see how this is scab related, just business related. Come to EWR and I'll piss in your Cheerios.

Affects JB more than DL? Have you been over lately and seen the RJ parking lot? Arrived in JFK a couple of weeks ago at around 3:30 p.m. Beautiful VFR day. There were 7 Comair jets parked on unused 22R waiting to park. On my way to the Airtrain 20 mins later, I counted 10. I'm sure those customers were overjoyed to be on a 50 seater with poor a/c and no entertainment. Excellent planning, DL...

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Affects JB more than DL? Have you been over lately and seen the RJ parking lot? Arrived in JFK a couple of weeks ago at around 3:30 p.m. Beautiful VFR day. There were 7 Comair jets parked on unused 22R waiting to park. On my way to the Airtrain 20 mins later, I counted 10. I'm sure those customers were overjoyed to be on a 50 seater with poor a/c and no entertainment. Excellent planning, DL...

I think that he means a smaller percent of DL's over all pax are exposed to the JFK fun time than B6's.

 

[zkmayo]

This is what happens when you let the lcc's/rj's into interational airports, they clutter them up.
When jet blue finally goes out of business I'm sure that JFK will get some better PR!

JB was the airline that came up with the idea to use JFK for domestic travel. Everyone called them crazy and for years wouldnt touch JFK with dom capacity, only LGA and EWR. Having added over 120 flights in the last 6 months, DAL has its fair share of the blame for the problems up there.

 

[GBase24]

Agreed!

 

[Blue Dude]

The FAA needs to provide some smart solutions and plow some money in there to fix the airspace. One of the best things I've seen lately was DL working with the FAA to make 31L at KK available for takeoff during 04/22 operations.

There's some revisionist history. DL didn't do jack. JB proposed three runway operation several years ago. It's only the RJ/Dash-8 flood that has forced ATC to increase the departure rate and actually implement it. I'm glad you guys can do it too, but don't even pretend it was DL's initiative. You only "worked with the FAA" by clogging up the departures to begin with, so I guess we do have you to thank.

 

[737 Pylt]

The real reason is that its cheaper to operate 50-seaters than put a mainline aircraft on the route.

I didn't know they tought you so much when learning the basics of waste dump 101 for the lav truck.

Delta guys sold out (you to GL) and continue to do so, cheering all the way as more rjs infest JFK. Delta continues to outsource most of their flying to the hoe's at every regional on the planet.

Why so angry? If we sold out, shouldn't our own pilots be the ones that are pi$$ed off? If it means more rj flying for you junior, you should be estatic!

So you're hiring a few new chumps, have fun seating on reserve in JFK, oh and don't forget you have to cover LGA and EWR on your own dime.

Couldn't get hired eh??:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Now it al makes sense! Stick to emptying the lav truck and trash cans......You'll be the better woman!

When does Comair get those 90 seaters, oh i mean 76 seaters, until the next sell out.

What's it matter.....The closest you'll get to it is to emptying the trash, lav rat!:laugh: :laugh:

737

 

[Noserider76]

JB was the airline that came up with the idea to use JFK for domestic travel. Everyone called them crazy and for years wouldnt touch JFK with dom capacity, only LGA and EWR. Having added over 120 flights in the last 6 months, DAL has its fair share of the blame for the problems up there.

More than the airport it's the market. When you start flying from any area airport you affect the others who serve those markets. JB started business by flooding NY-FLL, one of DL's bread and butter routes, then took advantage of the legacies weakness after 911 by growing uncontrollably. That's the American way but you have to be prepared for the reaction when your target is back to full strength.

 

[Noserider76]

There's some revisionist history. DL didn't do jack. JB proposed three runway operation several years ago. It's only the RJ/Dash-8 flood that has forced ATC to increase the departure rate and actually implement it. I'm glad you guys can do it too, but don't even pretend it was DL's initiative. You only "worked with the FAA" by clogging up the departures to begin with, so I guess we do have you to thank.

Right. Talk to ATC and you'll get the straight story. A proposal several years ago is one thing. A plan presented ready to be implemented is another.

 

[zkmayo]

More than the airport it's the market. When you start flying from any area airport you affect the others who serve those markets. JB started business by flooding NY-FLL, one of DL's bread and butter routes, then took advantage of the legacies weakness after 911 by growing uncontrollably. That's the American way but you have to be prepared for the reaction when your target is back to full strength.

Yes, but DAL's market was LGA-FLL, not JFK-FLL until B6 was a success in JFK and DAL wanted their piece. My point was that no one took JFK seriously for a domestic O&D mkt. The domestic mkt planner for DAL hasnt exactly had the hardest job the last few years--go where JB and AT go.

A daily look at Delta's ramp would say that they are going to rationalize their jfk operation.

 

[atcloser]

There's some revisionist history. DL didn't do jack. JB proposed three runway operation several years ago. It's only the RJ/Dash-8 flood that has forced ATC to increase the departure rate and actually implement it. I'm glad you guys can do it too, but don't even pretend it was DL's initiative. You only "worked with the FAA" by clogging up the departures to begin with, so I guess we do have you to thank.

Without mentioning my employer, as far as I'm aware, JBU initiated the 31LKK routine while departing 22R. I've been hearing that for years and believe they pushed the agency to do it.

I'll also say that this is great for departures as long as North gate traffic is rerouted over RBV to keep 31L full, but it also plays havoc with arrivals. The acceptance rate on 22L is much lower than 13L or 31R. There is generally a lot of holding at LENDY and CAMRN and a ton of delaying vectors to get to 22L on this flow because of much decreased arrival capacity. You may see that you get turned southwestbound toward Atlantic City on a routine basis on the arrival to JFK. The standard 50NM arrival to 13L or 31R is now dragged into a 150NM theatrical production.

Talking about wasting fuel at 210 knots for 150NM.

The bottom line is JFK needs more concrete. The FAA and the airlines can use all the latest GPS technology that they want in order to increase flows and decrease separation between aircraft. But the cold hard truth is that only one aircraft can be on that runway at a time. I also believe that, in the short term, there needs to be some restriction on the size of aircraft utilizing the airport as well during heavy traffic periods. Mixing 50% heavy jets and 50% large jets is just slowing things down because of the FAA's own regulations on aircraft separation.

Just my personal opinion.

 

[Noserider76]

Without mentioning my employer, as far as I'm aware, JBU initiated the 31LKK routine while departing 22R. I've been hearing that for years and believe they pushed the agency to do it.

OK that's a little different from the story I heard from ATC a couple months back but I'll take your word for it and apologize to Blue Dude. I also wasn't aware it had such a negative affect on the arrivals. Thanks for the post.

 

[brainhurts]

Quote:
Originally Posted by General Lee
It also really affects the profitability of a LCC called Jetblue, which would be a lot more profitable if it weren't using so much fuel and being late all day thanks to one back up. Oh well, I guess we could acquire you guys and alleviate the problem, and ofcourse staple everyone. I think that sounds like a good remedy to the congestion problem.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ex 737 Driver: I gotta agree with him on this one. Hope to see something similar done to Skybus in CMH and Va in SFO. Business is business. Don't stick your neck in the ring if you're not ready for the big fight.

Originally Posted by brainhurts
That is what all the scabs at your airline said when they crossed the line. You are real brave when its time to slam LCC's but you can't police your own problem.

Since I was in high school in 1983, what ploice action do you think I should take. Tear gas or riot squad? Hey, JB took an opportunity in NYC with ultra low costs as thier mantra and now DAL is fighting back with gridlock that affects JB more than DAL. Don't quite see how this is scab related, just business related. Come to EWR and I'll piss in your Cheerios.

Onced again we hear the Mantra "Its not my fault the industry sucks--its everyone else's fault. I am not to blame." You tagged on to a very negative JB quote by the General and said "I gotta agree with the General on this one". Which did not indicate "business is business", but "Oh well, I guess we could acquire you guys and alleviate the problem, and of course staple everyone. I think that sounds like a good remedy to the congestion problem." Business is business but thats being a d1ckhead. If you "gotta agree with the General" then you are also a d1ckhead. Hey, you can use your head to piss in my Cheerios!

 

[johnsonrod]

Quote:
Originally Posted by General Lee
It also really affects the profitability of a LCC called Jetblue, which would be a lot more profitable if it weren't using so much fuel and being late all day thanks to one back up. Oh well, I guess we could acquire you guys and alleviate the problem, and ofcourse staple everyone. I think that sounds like a good remedy to the congestion problem.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Ex 737 Driver: I gotta agree with him on this one. Hope to see something similar done to Skybus in CMH and Va in SFO. Business is business. Don't stick your neck in the ring if you're not ready for the big fight.

Originally Posted by brainhurts
That is what all the scabs at your airline said when they crossed the line. You are real brave when its time to slam LCC's but you can't police your own problem.







Onced again we hear the Mantra "Its not my fault the industry sucks--its everyone else's fault. I am not to blame." You tagged on to a very negative JB quote by the General and said "I gotta agree with the General on this one". Which did not indicate "business is business", but "Oh well, I guess we could acquire you guys and alleviate the problem, and of course staple everyone. I think that sounds like a good remedy to the congestion problem." Business is business but thats being a d1ckhead. If you "gotta agree with the General" then you are also a d1ckhead. Hey, you can use your head to piss in my Cheerios!

I guess sarcasm is a foreign concept to you JB guys...

 

[brainhurts]

I guess sarcasm is a foreign concept to you JB guys...

Sarcasm

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Sarcasm from Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmos), 'mockery, sarcasm' is sneering, jesting, or mocking at a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound[1] — stating the opposite of the intended meaning, e.g. using "that's fantastic" to mean "that's awful".
It is used mostly in a humorous manner, and is expressed through vocal intonations such as over-emphasizing the actual statement or particular words. Use of sarcasm is sometimes viewed as an expression of concealed anger[2], annoyance and/or ignorance.
Fyodor Dostoyevsky defined sarcasm as "the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded."[1]


More than I ever wanted to know about sarcasm.

 

[737 Pylt]

Yes, but DAL's market was LGA-FLL, not JFK-FLL until B6 was a success in JFK and DAL wanted their piece.

Uh, wrong! I flew the 727 a lot between JFK and FLL/MIA before JB was even thought of.

My point was that no one took JFK seriously for a domestic O&D mkt. The domestic mkt planner for DAL hasnt exactly had the hardest job the last few years--go where JB and AT go.

And of course its easy to compete.....Just go into and cherry all of the legacy's money making markets. Unfortunately, as much as I hate to admit it, the rj feed for smaller markets helps feed our hubs, you know those cities that JB likes to ignore.

A daily look at Delta's ramp would say that they are going to rationalize their jfk operation.

I would agree with that.

737

 

[Deli Guy]

Uh, wrong! I flew the 727 a lot between JFK and FLL/MIA before JB was even thought of.



737

For who?

 

[rayford steele]

OK that's a little different from the story I heard from ATC a couple months back but I'll take your word for it and apologize to Blue Dude. I also wasn't aware it had such a negative affect on the arrivals. Thanks for the post.

WOW. An honorable man on Flightinfo.com. Impressive! Thank you!

 

[737 Pylt]

For who?

My bad.....Delta.

737

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

The delays have nothing to do with JetBlue. It's Delta's not-so-secret plan to screw JB over by flooding JFK with about two million RJs and Dash 8s.

It really is a brilliant move. Why try to provide a superior product? It's much better business to alienate every passenger that flies on your planes by just trying to stick it to another carrier.

Remember, this is the same management team that raped your retirement, slashed your wages, and laid off THOUSANDS of innocent hard-working people. And oh yeah, they did all that while treating themselves to MILLIONS of dollars in executive bonuses, based not on performance, but by the amount of cash on hand. The travelling public really would be better served if Delta (or at least their stellar executive corps) ceased operations. The only problem is that there are still thousands of great folks working to save the airline for a management team that only cares about lining their coffers.

This is what happens when you let the lcc's/rj's into interational airports, they clutter them up.
When jet blue finally goes out of business I'm sure that JFK will get some better PR!

 

[nosoupforyou!]

No, it's not, and Whitehurst (our COO) has acknowledged this in the last few conference calls. Ever wonder why there are about 20 50 seaters sitting under the CVG tower? They are all going away. While mainline waits to get some mainline birds, 76 seaters will replace some of the 50 seaters (at the same rate for pilots at Comair, right? Well, close anyway). I would rather have a plane on the route that could generate revenue for us, with first class too so I could nonrev on something more comfortable, rather than a money losing 50 seater.

You sound very bitter, which is understandable in your situation.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I swear to Christmas General Lee sounds identical to an arch nemesis from the past who called himself ETOPER on the YAYHOO airline boards. I don't go there anymore but he was the master of all things aviation as long as he had the last word.

This GL dude is a real sphincter.

 

[cocknbull]

Read the title of this thread and thought it was a story about Ted Kennedy getting constipated. To my relief it was a jetBlue bashing thread. Thank goodness... Teddy is a national treasure. I would hate to think of him suffering from any irregularity.

I will give you a well deserved laugh for that post.

LOL

 

[lowecur]

Unfortunately, as much as I hate to admit it, the rj feed for smaller markets helps feed our hubs, you know those cities that JB likes to ignore.

50 of the 86 cities out of JFK on DL are RJ or Dash. How many international flts per day for DL out of JFK excluding codeshare? Even DL's codeshare international partners are unhappy with what's happening at JFK. It's a deliberate decision to screw Jetblue's operations with the least amount of capital.

Smart.

imp:​

 

[On Your Six]

50 of the 86 cities out of JFK on DL are RJ or Dash. How many international flts per day for DL out of JFK excluding codeshare? Even DL's codeshare international partners are unhappy with what's happening at JFK. It's a deliberate decision to screw Jetblue's operations with the least amount of capital.

Smart.

imp:​

I hear Delta is thinking about replacing the Dash 8s with Piper Navajos out of JFK. The Mesa pilots will still be too inexperienced for the Navajos.

 

[jetpig32]

I hear Delta is thinking about replacing the Dash 8s with Piper Navajos out of JFK. The Mesa pilots will still be too inexperienced for the Navajos.

Somewhat true.(the experience part perhaps) The Dash 8 will be replaced by ERJs in late Aug. Delta realized that the D8 was too fast on approach inside 15 miles and was speeding up Jet Blues operation.

 

[Blue Dude]

OK that's a little different from the story I heard from ATC a couple months back but I'll take your word for it and apologize to Blue Dude.

Thanks Noserider.

 

[CKJET]

Read the title of this thread and thought it was a story about Ted Kennedy getting constipated. To my relief it was a jetBlue bashing thread. Thank goodness... Teddy is a national treasure. I would hate to think of him suffering from any irregularity.

Now that was good!!

 

[CKJET]

I didn't know they tought you so much when learning the basics of waste dump 101 for the lav truck.


Why so angry? If we sold out, shouldn't our own pilots be the ones that are pi$$ed off? If it means more rj flying for you junior, you should be estatic!


Couldn't get hired eh??:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Now it al makes sense! Stick to emptying the lav truck and trash cans......You'll be the better woman!


What's it matter.....The closest you'll get to it is to emptying the trash, lav rat!:laugh: :laugh:

737

This is getting out of hand!!