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By MITCHELL SCHNURMAN

Star-Telegram Staff Writer

For years, Southwest Airlines has been the exceptional player in a troubled industry, but it's starting to resemble its overburdened brethren. Labor costs are rising, high fuel prices are taking a toll, and the company is tapping the brakes on its growth plans.

Last week, the Dallas carrier announced that it was cutting new plane deliveries significantly and dropping transcontinental flights out of Baltimore and Philadelphia. It may even switch to assigned seating and adopt a revenue-management system to extract more money from business travelers.

"In this economic environment, we simply need to take less risk and grow more slowly," Chief Executive Officer Gary Kelly told analysts and investors in New York.

One notable thing that's not changing: Southwest doesn't plan to get healthy on the backs of its employees.

Kelly told The Wall Street Journal that Southwest workers are the airline's "greatest weapon," and that he'd consider pay cuts a "management failure."

How often do you hear the boss say, "Blame me, not the workers?"

Labor is one of the largest expenses in the airline business, and cuts in that category are usually crucial to any restructuring. Four years ago, when American Airlines started reworking its business model, concessions from workers played a pivotal role. And other airlines repeatedly used the bankruptcy courts to bludgeon wages and benefits.

Even in other industries, layoffs and pay cuts seem to be a default strategy in most turnaround plans. RadioShack, for example, has eliminated roughly 800 jobs in Fort Worth as it seeks to boost profits and its stock price.

But Southwest has a tradition of putting employees first and seeing good things follow, including great customer service, leading on-time performance and high productivity.

Even after 9-11, when the airline industry was forced to shrink, Southwest resisted layoffs.

During last week's presentation to analysts, Kelly showed a slide titled, "The Vision."

First item: "Be the best place to work."

That's easy to talk about. Almost a decade ago, RadioShack set the same goal during a glitzy affair at Bass Hall. Leaders argued that the company needed highly motivated, knowledgeable workers to stand out in high-tech retailing.

These days, employee morale is in the tank at RadioShack headquarters, and uttering that phrase there would be a cruel joke.

American Airlines has similar troubles with its employees. Union leaders and many workers are still outraged by executive bonuses paid in the past two years, while the rank and file saw little improvement.

Southwest walks the walk, though. It consistently ranks near the top on lists of best places to work. And although Southwest workers were once paid less than their peers, they are now among the highest paid in the airline industry.

That's a factor in the company's rising operating costs, and some analysts have said that the problem won't be easily overcome. Kelly's plan is to stabilize the rising costs while looking for new ways to generate revenue, such as attracting more business travelers with a better frequent-flier program.

Kelly blames higher fuel prices and expiring fuel hedges, which had insulated Southwest from price swings, for most of the company's cost problems. Salaries are up, but he didn't complain about that.

"The higher pay raises have been funded largely by improvements in productivity," Kelly told reporters in a conference call last week. "I've been very proud of our people and how hard they've worked and the kind of results they've put out."

Worker productivity has improved 24 percent in the past five years by one measure, he says. In 2001, Southwest had the equivalent of 89 employees for each aircraft; by 2006, that number was 68.

Even with bigger workloads, Southwest workers are "the friendliest, most helpful employees in the business," Kelly said, citing customer surveys.

Those attitudes are important to Southwest's business, because its model hinges on quickly turning around aircraft and keeping customers happy despite the carrier's no-frills flights.

Not every company and executive holds the same view of its work force.

Rupert Murdoch, the media tycoon who's bidding for Dow Jones, has been getting lots of coverage in recent weeks. Ken Auletta, a leading media writer, recently wrote in The New Yorker that Murdoch believes that all talent is replaceable.

About 30 years ago, Auletta wrote, about 40 editors and writers went on strike to try to forestall a Murdoch takeover of New York magazine. Auletta, then at the magazine, led a small delegation to visit Murdoch's outside counsel, Howard Squadron.

"I was certain that, once Murdoch understood that the staff would leave, he would retreat," Auletta wrote. "Squadron listened politely and replied: 'You don't understand. If you leave, Rupert will replace you like he replaces furniture.'"

Surely, other executives share that kind of thinking, although most wouldn't admit it to a reporter.

Southwest represents the alternative worldview. And if you worked there, wouldn't that make all the difference?
 
Kelly told The Wall Street Journal that Southwest workers are the airline's "greatest weapon," and that he'd consider pay cuts a "management failure."

yeah boooooooooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeee!!!
 
How often do you hear the boss say, "Blame me, not the workers?"


But Southwest has a tradition of putting employees first and seeing good things follow, including great customer service, leading on-time performance and high productivity.

Bosses at other airlines are data managers not leaders.

They are there to get thier cash and get out. They do not care about the company the day after thier contract expires....

"I was certain that, once Murdoch understood that the staff would leave, he would retreat," Auletta wrote. "Squadron listened politely and replied: 'You don't understand. If you leave, Rupert will replace you like he replaces furniture.'"

And while Air Line Pilots think they are italian leather sofas management views pilots as rickety lawn chairs.

Either get on with SWA or get involved in your careers....
 
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One thing I have learned since I got a job at SW is nobody will ever know how good it is here unless they come to SW and see it for themselves.
 
Eventually management will come after all SWA employees to reduce their costs. I hope the employees hold the line. Southwest has the highest paid 737 pilots in the industry not because they went out and negotiated that. They are the highest paid because everyone else has fallen before them. Hang tough guys!!!!
 
They are the highest paid because everyone else has fallen before them. Hang tough guys!!!!


Conman,

We're the highest because we're the tortoise in the race. Slow and steady.

Our hourly rate hasn't really increased beyond COLA for the past 13 years if you can believe that... It just never BLASTED up and SHOT down.

I'm not tooting my own horn... I had to learn my Legacy lesson the hard way... It just is what it is. It won't be but a few more years before ALPA "takes it back" and we are again the laggards.

-fate
 
I had a health scare with my wife recently. My chief pilot told me to take all the time I needed to make sure she was OK. He said, and I quote, "All the company cares about right now is that you take care of your family and we will take care of you."

You don't negotiate that.

Gup
 
Our hourly rate hasn't really increased beyond COLA for the past 13 years if you can believe that... It just never BLASTED up and SHOT down.

Thats a fact.

Considering COLA, pay at SWA is 8% higher now than 1994 rates. 3% higher from 1985 rates.

Gary Kelly and SWAPA is very well aware of this.
 
Nobody could pay me enough money to want to layover in LBB. No way. Throw in AMA and MAF, and I would be constantly throwing up. (chunks) But, you do have great pay, nice stews, and a management that seems good (for now). Boring aircraft types and too many multiple leg flying days with 25 minute turns, along with LBB as a potential layover, makes me and others wonder... Regardless, other than those items, you guys have it made! Good for you guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Nobody could pay me enough money to want to layover in LBB. No way. Throw in AMA and MAF, and I would be constantly throwing up. (chunks) But, you do have great pay, nice stews, and a management that seems good (for now). Boring aircraft types and too many multiple leg flying days with 25 minute turns, along with LBB as a potential layover, makes me and others wonder... Regardless, other than those items, you guys have it made! Good for you guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'd take those places over your NY locations and Atlanta. Argue that one. You can't.
 
Nobody could pay me enough money to want to layover in LBB. No way. Throw in AMA and MAF, and I would be constantly throwing up. (chunks) But, you do have great pay, nice stews, and a management that seems good (for now). Boring aircraft types and too many multiple leg flying days with 25 minute turns, along with LBB as a potential layover, makes me and others wonder... Regardless, other than those items, you guys have it made! Good for you guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee


Please keep perpetuating the LBB, MAF, AMA myth as it will keep the rest of the "Generals" out of here.

You forgot ELP....
 
I had a health scare with my wife recently. My chief pilot told me to take all the time I needed to make sure she was OK. He said, and I quote, "All the company cares about right now is that you take care of your family and we will take care of you."

You don't negotiate that.

Gup


My dad died in a light airplane crash a few months ago, and SWA took care of me and my family in a way that darn near brought a tear to my eye. The PHX CP called several times to check up on me, cleared my board for as long as I wanted and had several family members flown home. Say what you want about the company, but I can tell you from experience they take care of their people.

Cheers
 
My dad died in a light airplane crash a few months ago, and SWA took care of me and my family in a way that darn near brought a tear to my eye. The PHX CP called several times to check up on me, cleared my board for as long as I wanted and had several family members flown home. Say what you want about the company, but I can tell you from experience they take care of their people.

Cheers

Sorry about your dad. The sad thing is that what SWA does is something that should be standard....instead, it's looked at as above and beyond and it shouldn't be this way.

I really hope that SWA stays this way. Other companies should follow their philosophies. I am sure there are a few (very few) other companies (not airlines of course) that treat their employees this well. Does anyone know of any?
 
Nobody could pay me enough money to want to layover in LBB. No way. Throw in AMA and MAF, and I would be constantly throwing up. (chunks) But, you do have great pay, nice stews, and a management that seems good (for now). Boring aircraft types and too many multiple leg flying days with 25 minute turns, along with LBB as a potential layover, makes me and others wonder... Regardless, other than those items, you guys have it made! Good for you guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee

OOhhhh!!! It's GL with the tired "I can't fly to LBB"

GL, Get over it.

Your going to die 10 years earlier than any of us because 1) Your constantly worrying about where SWA pilots fly 2) Your circadium rythm has been wacked out and you look and feel 10 years older than you really are 3) Your an Ass.

Go away.
 
Nobody could pay me enough money to want to layover in LBB. No way. Throw in AMA and MAF, and I would be constantly throwing up. (chunks) But, you do have great pay, nice stews, and a management that seems good (for now). Boring aircraft types and too many multiple leg flying days with 25 minute turns, along with LBB as a potential layover, makes me and others wonder... Regardless, other than those items, you guys have it made! Good for you guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee

same rhetoric, different thread. blah blah blah. Like someone said earlier LBB seems much better these days than JFK...or going through ATL every single day...man that's got to be boring...but occasionally you get to experience JFK...yeah thats worse. Good thing SLC, CVG, and LAX are bases...for now
 
Does anyone know of any?

http://www.sas.com/corporate/

Work/Life
If you treat employees as if they make a difference to the company, they will make a difference to the company.
That's been the employee-focused philosophy behind SAS' corporate culture since the company's founding in 1976. At the heart of this unique business model is a simple idea: satisfied employees create satisfied customers.
SAS employees work in an environment that fosters and encourages the integration of the company's business objectives with their personal needs. With enviable low employee turnover that has been consistently and significantly below the industry average, SAS reaps the rewards of employee loyalty and the benefit of the most talented minds in the software business. Programs and facilities at its Cary, N.C., world headquarters include two on-site childcare centers, an eldercare information and referral program, an employee health care center, wellness programs, a 58,000 square foot recreation and fitness center, and many other work-life programs.
The company's work-life programs and unique corporate culture continue to receive accolades. For eight consecutive years, the company has been listed in the top 20 of FORTUNE's "100 Best Companies to Work for in America" and was inducted into the list's "Hall of Fame" in 2005. In addition, SAS has been listed by Working Mother as one of the 100 Best Companies for Working Mothers 13 times. SAS' corporate culture has been featured in a segment titled "The Royal Treatment" on CBS' 60 Minutes and more recently was featured as the Best Place to Work on the Oprah show.
 
The sad thing is that what SWA does is something that should be standard....instead, it's looked at as above and beyond and it shouldn't be this way.

On of the most intelligent post's you ever made Mega. I knew you had it in ya. I agree 100%. :beer:
 
I had a health scare with my wife recently. My chief pilot told me to take all the time I needed to make sure she was OK. He said, and I quote, "All the company cares about right now is that you take care of your family and we will take care of you."

You don't negotiate that.

Gup

Bingo!
That is what makes Southwest Southwest. That is why we run for strollers, clean up cabins, and bust our a$$es everyday to keep our airline ontime and efficient. They take care of us, and we take care of them. It's not rocket surgery.
 
Nobody could pay me enough money to want to layover in LBB. No way. Throw in AMA and MAF, and I would be constantly throwing up. (chunks) But, you do have great pay, nice stews, and a management that seems good (for now). Boring aircraft types and too many multiple leg flying days with 25 minute turns, along with LBB as a potential layover, makes me and others wonder... Regardless, other than those items, you guys have it made! Good for you guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee


I realize your continued flaming posts are only meant to elicit angry responses, but I'll just say this much.

You are obviously (either intentionally or obtusely) missing the entire point of this thread. I have a college buddy at American who does the "legacy" thing to Europe and South America on the 757/767, and he absolutely loves doing international ops and experiencing that life. He also said, and I quote, "If it weren't for the other employee groups here, I'd gladly strike this %$*!!! airline into the ground."

What it boils down to is this: I'd a thousand times rather work for a company like SWA whose management treats us like gold (eg. please see previous posts), than for a company like American or Delta who can't find their financial butt with both hands, and who thus compensate for it by sticking it to the employees in whatever number and manner of ways they can get away with.

The destinations served don't matter a minuscule compared to this concept.
 
I'll say this much about our QOL. I enjoy my work and I enjoy my time off.

I tried my hand at a "global" Major and was politely shown the door after 9/11.

Now, I don't like the Texas (or California) 2-step any more than the next guy. I'm about 50% up the F/O list in 2.5 years (in my domicile) and I'm senior enough to avoid reserve, blank/secondary/build-up lines, and most weekends.

Now, my ideal job would involve much more ~choice~ than SWA offers. I'd love be able to turn down international flying or other aircraft types. Choice is a great bonus..... but I'd never choose it over a good job with good management. I made that choice when I turned down my recall.

SWA isn't the ULTIMATE job, but it's one of the GREAT jobs out there.

In any case the grass is always greener. If a pilot was told he only had to work 1 day a week and that day was Wednesday, he'd ask, "Every Wednesday?"

-fate
 
I'd take those places over your NY locations and Atlanta. Argue that one. You can't.

Really? I would much rather go to Manhattan and see a great play or eat some great food rather than rot in Lubbock. Atlanta is also fairly cosmopolitan and has some great hotels. I think the General is correct, and you are wrong.
 
same rhetoric, different thread. blah blah blah. Like someone said earlier LBB seems much better these days than JFK...or going through ATL every single day...man that's got to be boring...but occasionally you get to experience JFK...yeah thats worse. Good thing SLC, CVG, and LAX are bases...for now

So, you think SLC, CVG, and LAX won't be bases in the future? My friends at Delta would disagree with you. Also, there are plenty of transcons that do not go through Atlanta, and my friends say they enjoy the downtown NY layovers. I think your NY layovers consist or Ronkonkama near Islip. That really isn't the "real" NY probably. If you haven't been to Manhattan, then you may have a "skewed" view of New York if you only see Islip. And the chance to see Pisa, Italy or Rio on Delta's dime must be great, which is something Southwest pilots cannot say. You seem to have left out about half of Delta's flying, which is a lot more exotic than Islip or Boise.
 
Bingo!
That is what makes Southwest Southwest. That is why we run for strollers, clean up cabins, and bust our a$$es everyday to keep our airline ontime and efficient. They take care of us, and we take care of them. It's not rocket surgery.

Apparently it is for corporate administration/executives. It's not just the ariline industry either. They just don't get it.......treat your employees better and they will go out of their way to help the company.....treat them like crap and they will "just do their job". It's such a simple concept IMO but these management idiots just don't get it, don't care or both.
 
Choice is a great bonus..... but I'd never choose it over a good job with good management.



In any case the grass is always greener. If a pilot was told he only had to work 1 day a week and that day was Wednesday, he'd ask, "Every Wednesday?"

-fate

DING DING DING!!!!!
We have a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I think your NY layovers consist or Ronkonkama near Islip. That really isn't the "real" NY probably. If you haven't been to Manhattan, then you may have a "skewed" view of New York if you only see Islip. And the chance to see Pisa, Italy or Rio on Delta's dime must be great, which is something Southwest pilots cannot say. You seem to have left out about half of Delta's flying, which is a lot more exotic than Islip or Boise.


remember that most people that were in the military probably have already been there and done that with regards to international ops. If I never left this country again, I would be happy. How many of you actually go out an roam the areas outside your hotel? I for one do not. A city is a city, unless they have some cool bars next to it or something. As for flying a big aircraft...I for one could care less...as do many people I know and fly with. I like driving to work and driving home and being near the beach....Not commuting and not having to worry if I will get screwed.
 

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