SWA/competitive minimums to get an interview

[FCNelson]

Hi,

What are current competitive minimums to get a Southwest interview invite WITH the B-737 type rating?

Just trying to figure out where I stand, I have ~1100 turbine PIC, coming up on almost 6000 total time, with a B-737 type.

Thanks in advance,

FCN

 

[huronip]

I have had buddies get the interview and hired with the mins.

 

[flydog1]

How about without the type...anyone have any solid numbers..thanks

 

[pilotyip]

college degree not required

 

[momalley81]

college degree not required

True, however I spoke with one of SWA's pilot interviewers. He stated that if you did not have a college degree then you would really have to knock em dead during the interview to get the offer (which almost no one does).

He told me you are at a huge disadvantage during the interview if you dont have a college degree.

 

[flydog1]

did I miss something. no one asked about the college degree.. asking what the times where like to get called without a type..

 

[CHQ Pilot]

Times seem to vary for what it takes to get a call for an interview. I would say a few hundred over what the mins are at the time. When it was 1300TPIC, I got the call to interview at 1500 and didn't have the type. If you have the type, a call may come a little quicker since they look at the typed applications more often. After talking to the PD, the biggest thing seems to be making sure there is enough detail and that there are no gaps at all. Double and triple check to make sure everything matches up.

I've met several pilots during initial training that did not have college degrees. At least two of those didn't even have the type when they were "hired". Once given an interview, it is really a level playing field.

 

[Scrapdog]

college degree not required

Yip, spare us. It's not 1945 when you got your first airline job. College degree IS required to better your life - how's that?

 

[momalley81]

did I miss something. no one asked about the college degree.. asking what the times where like to get called without a type..

YIP can't help talking about it!! He is about as bad as JetFlyer and Peak Oil

 

[Captain Morgan]

Why is it that no one knocks them dead? Is it the standardization that college instills in people? Not being able to think outside the box? I'd rather hire someone who didn't automatically go to college out of high school just because it's the thing to do. I think most people are at a disadvantage because they are not mature enough to get the most out of what college has to offer when they get out of high school. Take someone who waited to go to college and went into the real world. They know what it's like to work humble jobs and they meet humble people. When you've mastered being intouch with reality, and you learn that everything isn't handed down from the government or the bank of mommy and daddy, pay for school from your own pocket. Then you will truly appreciate it. I'm not saying don't go to college at all. I'm saying you don't have to go through a pilot mill school or party your college time away like "everybody else" and maybe walk away from college actually learning something. PilotYIP is entitled to his opinion just as you are yours. Or, did they not teach you that in school. As you were gentlemen.

 

[Lear70]

did I miss something. no one asked about the college degree.. asking what the times where like to get called without a type..

Shhhhh!! Don't ask him, he'll tell you.

Just kidding Yip. Not jumping for the bait though, we've beat this to death like a dead horse outta Dodge. Let it go, and let the man get some straight answers about who REALLY gets the call and when without the type.

 

[samballs]

True, however I spoke with one of SWA's pilot interviewers. He stated that if you did not have a college degree then you would really have to knock em dead during the interview to get the offer (which almost no one does).

He told me you are at a huge disadvantage during the interview if you dont have a college degree.

I love it, every pilot that went to some academy, thinking thats the way to go, just started sweating.

 

[bravodude]

True, however I spoke with one of SWA's pilot interviewers. He stated that if you did not have a college degree then you would really have to knock em dead during the interview to get the offer (which almost no one does).

He told me you are at a huge disadvantage during the interview if you dont have a college degree.

Not true, i did not have a degree when i was down in DAL for the interview and no one even asked me about my lack of one.

 

[Scrapdog]

Why is it that no one knocks them dead? Is it the standardization that college instills in people? Not being able to think outside the box? I'd rather hire someone who didn't automatically go to college out of high school just because it's the thing to do. I think most people are at a disadvantage because they are not mature enough to get the most out of what college has to offer when they get out of high school. Take someone who waited to go to college and went into the real world. They know what it's like to work humble jobs and they meet humble people. When you've mastered being intouch with reality, and you learn that everything isn't handed down from the government or the bank of mommy and daddy, pay for school from your own pocket. Then you will truly appreciate it. I'm not saying don't go to college at all. I'm saying you don't have to go through a pilot mill school or party your college time away like "everybody else" and maybe walk away from college actually learning something. PilotYIP is entitled to his opinion just as you are yours. Or, did they not teach you that in school. As you were gentlemen.

While I think I see your point, your basis is way off. First of all, I didn't pay for my school - as you said I got "everything handed down by the government (yeah right)." Indeed my schooling was free, but I garauntee you there was plenty of sweat that went into getting my degree and earning my military pilot slot. And for the folks that do go to college right out of high school - well, most work their a$$ off while they are in school...and on top of that have plenty of student loans they have to be pay off once they finish their schooling. Two big things right there that teach both work ethic and fiscal responsibility. I'd say the vast majority are working multiple jobs to pay their way through school or have worked hard to get scholarships in high school...and the minority just go on mommy and daddy's pocketbook. And even a smaller minority go to the pilot puppy mills like embry ridiculous, etc...

Pilotyip is certainly entitled to his opinion, I agree 100%. However, what I do scoff is the fact the guy who started this thread asked about SWA competitive mins - and nothing about the college degree (which we've all heard pilotyip dispute hundreds of times in the past). And of course if you're going to do anything other than fly, by all means you need a college degree to be competitive in today's world, that is a FACT.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Scrapdog, just to clarify. I should have been more specific when talking about government handouts. I'm talking about the people who skip out on loans or manipulate the system to get their college or flight training paid for. I believe people like you earned your college and training, you don't have to doubt that ever.

 

[jetflyer]

YIP can't help talking about it!! He is about as bad as JetFlyer and Peak Oil

Did someone mention peak oil?? Peak oil!!!!

Jet

 

[huronip]

Not true, i did not have a degree when i was down in DAL for the interview and no one even asked me about my lack of one.

So did you get hired or not?

 

[momalley81]

Not true, i did not have a degree when i was down in DAL for the interview and no one even asked me about my lack of one.

Read what I said. I said nothing about them asking why you did/didn't have a College Degree. I stated that a Pilot Interviewer told me personally that without a college degree you were at a disadvantage and that you really had to "knock em dead" (his words, not mine) during the interview if you expected to get a call.

The asking about your degree (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with it.

 

[AA717driver]

Why is it that no one knocks them dead? Is it the standardization that college instills in people? Not being able to think outside the box? I'd rather hire someone who didn't automatically go to college out of high school just because it's the thing to do. I think most people are at a disadvantage because they are not mature enough to get the most out of what college has to offer when they get out of high school. Take someone who waited to go to college and went into the real world. They know what it's like to work humble jobs and they meet humble people. When you've mastered being intouch with reality, and you learn that everything isn't handed down from the government or the bank of mommy and daddy, pay for school from your own pocket. Then you will truly appreciate it. I'm not saying don't go to college at all. I'm saying you don't have to go through a pilot mill school or party your college time away like "everybody else" and maybe walk away from college actually learning something. PilotYIP is entitled to his opinion just as you are yours. Or, did they not teach you that in school. As you were gentlemen.

No. You're way off base. College instills the requsite people skills to succeed in the world.

Look, if you can work your way into the panties of Susie the Theta who's only had a couple of beers and a Jager shot, you've got to be able to work an angle. You've to to think on your feet.

And, you've got to have the judgement to know if you're line is working with Susie or not and be able to simultaneously make eye contact with Lisa the DG (who you KNOW does the nasty via the intel from the Delts...). Susie isn't paying off so you excuse yourself and hit the keg and "buy" a soda for Lisa who you work for 15 minutes and take to the house and bang her in the President's room. (He won't mind. )

See, if you can pull that off, you can score a job at SWA.

You don't go to college, so you're stuck wearing Carharts, scamming chicks with 'most' of their teeth at the cowboy bar in your F-150 with a tool box in the bed. You got no chance at SWA.

Got it? TC

 

[Russ]

Any one here as of late get a second shot, if so how long after the year mark?

PS, I do have a degree.

 

[vetteracer]

Mil. Mins to get interview
Regionals 4-5K total with 2-3K turbine
Part 135 - ??

I have 5K + total, 2200 Turbine PIC, 3500 ME, 2 BS degrees, no jet time, 737 type, Clean records, and no call. Called Kim a year ago to make sure my app was ok and she said it was, but I was not competitive.

The above numbers are from friends and the guys that I stayed in touch with from my HPA type class.

Mark
Who knows, just waiting my turn.

 

[Snapshot]

Not true, i did not have a degree when i was down in DAL for the interview and no one even asked me about my lack of one.

So....................were you hired?

 

[Captain Morgan]

AA717Driver: Haha! What if I did all that before college, does that make me go up in competitiveness? That last part about picking up toothless chicks in Carhartts and a toolbox in a F150 doesn't really sound that bad at all.

 

[pilotyip]

But look how it enliven this thread. Nothing like a little controversy to pep things up. According to the latest Air Inc. stats 7% of SWA new hires do not have a degree. People were asking about mins for SWA, it was simply a statement of fact. As the worldwide pilot shortage spreads, the college degree wil loose importance to basic flying skills and expereince in a cockpit. The other 170 airlines already know that.

 

[momalley81]

As the worldwide pilot shortage spreads, the college degree wil loose importance to basic flying skills and expereince in a cockpit. The other 170 airlines already know that.

How does a college degree get loose? Is that kinda like Nascar speak?

 

[pilotyip]

yea it won't stay in the center, it will drift up to the high bank,. Used be the degree was main stream, like right in the middle, but now with the hiring pressure it is gettin loose and driften up to the not so important path. But you'll figured it out anyways

 

[Oh-ryan]

Why is it that no one knocks them dead? Is it the standardization that college instills in people? Not being able to think outside the box? I'd rather hire someone who didn't automatically go to college out of high school just because it's the thing to do. I think most people are at a disadvantage because they are not mature enough to get the most out of what college has to offer when they get out of high school. Take someone who waited to go to college and went into the real world. They know what it's like to work humble jobs and they meet humble people. When you've mastered being intouch with reality, and you learn that everything isn't handed down from the government or the bank of mommy and daddy, pay for school from your own pocket. Then you will truly appreciate it. I'm not saying don't go to college at all. I'm saying you don't have to go through a pilot mill school or party your college time away like "everybody else" and maybe walk away from college actually learning something. PilotYIP is entitled to his opinion just as you are yours. Or, did they not teach you that in school. As you were gentlemen.

Capt Morgan,
I am not gonna throw my dog into this fight because I think there are valid arguments on both sides. I do have a bit of an issue with this statement though. I didn't go to college because "it was the thing to do". I went to college because I knew that if I didn't go I would be at a huge disadvantage in today's world, regardless of whether or not I would become a pilot. This is something my parents ensured I was aware of and something I will pass down to my kids. If I were to ever be in an HR department I would be just as inclined to hire the "high school to college" applicant as I would be to hire "the high school to real world to college" applicant. Much of the real world training that folks got when they left high school and skipped college is that they realized they wouldn't get very far in the real world without a college degree. Making the commitment to college immediately after high school tells me that the applicant is aware of how important a bachelor's degree is in many professions. Does it make you a better pilot though... not necessarily.

 

[pilotyip]

No full time college required

Nope Orion, the proven path to the cockpit is college part time, while building quality flight time, so at age 25 you have college degree, in what doesn't matter. You also have 4000TT, 3000 MEL, 1000 121 TJ PIC, two jet types. Plus no debt, because your employer helped pay for your college. We are only talking about airline careers right now; not Engineering, not Medical, not school teacher, only airline pilot where many have succeeded without 4 yrs of continous on-campus education.

 

[pgcfii2002]

7 pages...minimum.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

As the worldwide pilot shortage spreads, the college degree wil loose importance to basic flying skills and expereince in a cockpit.

I disagree. In my opinion, as the pilot shortage spreads, the college degree will become more important... as will who knows who. Basic flying skills, on the other hand, will be pushed to the sidelines in the interview process. HR types no longer want pilots. They don't want guys who know how to shuttle freight around the country in crap weather. They don't want guys who know how to babysit new FOs down the river visual in DCA. They don't want guys who can intelligently discuss losing an engine on takeoff in RNO. What they want is button pushers with personality. They want people who will let them check off all their oh-so-important HR boxes on the application. The ability to actually fly and command an aircraft is meaningless in the new hiring paradigm. It sickens me, but that's the way it is. PilotYIP.. unfortunately guys like you don't do most of the hiring in this industry. We'd all be better off and better paid if you did..........